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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 09:21:28 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: <v75vl9$19j7l$7@dont-email.me> References: <v644pn$29t4h$3@dont-email.me> <v6bm5v$3rj8n$1@dont-email.me> <v6bmoe$3ri0l$2@dont-email.me> <v6bnt2$3rj8n$3@dont-email.me> <v6brfj$3skuk$2@dont-email.me> <v6c3vh$3ttem$1@dont-email.me> <v6c539$3u2mj$1@dont-email.me> <v6dda0$7s8u$1@dont-email.me> <v6e67v$bbcb$4@dont-email.me> <v6gss2$t87a$1@dont-email.me> <v6gv65$to0m$1@dont-email.me> <v6h2li$ud7p$1@dont-email.me> <v6h2rm$ue7s$1@dont-email.me> <v6h3cu$ud7p$2@dont-email.me> <v6h83q$vag9$1@dont-email.me> <v6ikgb$19f5g$1@dont-email.me> <v6jgjo$1ctoi$4@dont-email.me> <v6lckp$1qi9e$1@dont-email.me> <v6m2qq$1tj30$6@dont-email.me> <60a1c2490e9bd9a5478fd173a20ed64d5eb158f9@i2pn2.org> <v6nvn8$2bn6q$1@dont-email.me> <v6oqti$2fuva$7@dont-email.me> <v6qn6k$2ubkt$1@dont-email.me> <v6r9q1$30qtt$5@dont-email.me> <v6tbge$3gegs$1@dont-email.me> <v6tqlm$3imib$5@dont-email.me> <v6vvid$24jd$1@dont-email.me> <v70mih$61d8$3@dont-email.me> <v72i9m$jne3$1@dont-email.me> <v7367p$mjis$8@dont-email.me> <v755m4$15kf6$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 16:21:29 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="37be9b12bf7e2996d459c5c7ef9a1f9b"; logging-data="1363189"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/izBodrCvM0LC0Eh3gzP4b" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:JEySs5vqFErc1uNXo0nAsA20Tks= In-Reply-To: <v755m4$15kf6$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3284 On 7/16/2024 1:58 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-07-15 12:55:21 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 7/15/2024 2:15 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-07-14 14:15:45 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>> *You can comprehend this is a truism or fail to* >>>> *comprehend it disagreement is necessarily incorrect* >>>> Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non >>>> termination of HHH necessarily specifies non-halting >>>> behavior or it would never need to be aborted. >>> >>> No, it is false. What the input specifies is a property of the input >>> alone. >>> Whether some HHH is able to process it without looping forever is not a >>> property of the input and not relevant to the meaning of the input. >> >> In other words you believe that you can correctly >> ignore the verified fact that DDD correctly emulated >> by HHH does call HHH(DDD) in recursive emulation. > > It is not a fact and not verified but otherwise, yes, that is not relevant. > When simulated input DDD stops running {if and only if} the simulation of this input DDD has been aborted this necessitates that input DDD specifies non-halting behavior -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer