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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Antonio Marques <no_email@invalid.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.lang Subject: Re: Official German spelling update Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 15:22:07 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 28 Message-ID: <v7636u$1aoug$1@dont-email.me> References: <slrnv8raos.7eh.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> <slrnv95gaj.17f0.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> <87o77158s5.fsf@parhasard.net> <slrnv960kk.1ch5.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> <v70abv$40o6$1@dont-email.me> <Vielen-20240714122028@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <pp789jppco8vfh98d2ik8tkddta7q108es@4ax.com> <v73nfh$q2r6$1@dont-email.me> <Vielen-20240715201141@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <vielen-20240715204349@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <esoc9jlf86ardum3ut1er7g9hrs07amdr1@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 17:22:07 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d27046cc651c0416f77990dac2845a34"; logging-data="1401808"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19+7R8VB3atNrVFFaQ2Uh9yeBjVXj4/bD3yesDQcEmwEw==" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Cancel-Lock: sha1:wq49y+EACfeKalSs4CidT8+8fcM= sha1:T9VtHizaQWe1l5lJGwz6CwamDbs= Bytes: 2396 Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote: > 15 Jul 2024 19:46:05 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) > scribeva: > >> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted: >>> understand the expression "Vielen Dank!" we can't analyze >>> it further. It's opaque to us. >> >> The "vielen" feels as if the formally singular "Dank" is taken >> "semantically" to be a plural. > > Why? It's a singular masculin accusative! Be that as it may, that's precisely how I've felt about it for a long time, and the mismatch is what prompted me to ask for clarification. And to read it as a count noun, I'd need 'viel' rather than 'vielen'. Cf 'viel Glück', not 'vieles'. So I rather thought it was a fossil form, possibly misanalyzed to the mondegreen point, maybe even missing a syllable at the end, or /dank/ not even being originally the noun form. That some confusion does exist around it seems to be supported by Stefan's quotations.