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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Who here understands that the last paragraph is Necessarily true?
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 13:27:35 -0500
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On 7/16/2024 3:20 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2024-07-15 20:56:21 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>> On 7/15/2024 3:51 PM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Mon, 15 Jul 2024 08:51:14 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 7/15/2024 3:37 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-15 03:41:24 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>> On 7/14/2024 9:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/14/24 9:27 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non termination of
>>>>>>>> simulating termination analyzer HHH necessarily specifies
>>>>>>>> non-halting behavior or it would never need to be aborted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Excpet, as I have shown, it doesn't.
>>>>>>> Your problem is you keep on ILEGALLY changing the input in your
>>>>>>> argument because you have misdefined what the input is.
>>>>>>> The input to HHH is ALL of the memory that it would be accessed in a
>>>>>>> correct simulation of DDD, which includes all the codd of HHH, and
>>>>>>> thus, if you change HHH you get a different input.
>>>>>>> If you want to try to claim the input is just the bytes of the
>>>>>>> function DDD proper then you are just admitting that you are nothing
>>>>>>> more than a lying idiot that doesn't understand the problem,
>>>>>> Turing machines only operate on finite strings they do not operate on
>>>>>> other Turing machines *dumbo*
>>>>>
>>>>> That's right. But the finite string can be a description of a Turing
>>>>> machine.
>>>> No that is wrong. The finite string must encode a Turing machine.
>>> Same difference.
>>>
>>
>> Not at all. The huge mistake of all these years is that
>> people stupidly expected that HHH to report on the behavior
>> of its own executing Turing machine.
> 
> No, the error is that HHH report on its own behavour instead of the
> behaviour specified by its inputs. Nobody expects that your programs
> do anything interesting or useful.
> 

HHH computes the mapping from this finite string: 
558bec6863210000e853f4ffff83c4045dc3
to non-halting behavior because this finite string
calls HHH(DDD) in recursive simulation.

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