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From: "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
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Subject: Re: Langevin's paradox again
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 22:30:24 +0200
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Den 16.07.2024 14:35, skrev Richard Hachel:
> Le 16/07/2024 à 12:57, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit :
>>
>> So Richard Hachel has said that when the proton is moving
>> around the 27 km circuit, and is measured to pass by the same
>> point every ≈ 90 μs, then the proton has really made 6933
>> turns around the circuit during the ≈ 90 μs, which means that
>> the proton passes the point every ≈ 12.8 ns, and the speed of
>> the proton is 6927⋅c and not slightly less than c.

I did NOT write the following.

>>I like your sense of 
>> humor. It is a bit inappropriate in the sense that you do not 
>> understand what you are reading (I never said that we could measure in 
>> the laboratory protons moving at 6927c in observable speed although it 
>> is obvious that physicists perform this feat every day, at real speed, 
>> but without understanding the mechanism).

> I refer you to Blaise Pascal's advice: "When you don't understand 
> something, and a man's comments seem extravagant to you, and you don't 
> know if he is particularly stupid or particularly brilliant, go look 
> elsewhere .If he is particularly stupid in other matters, or in his 
> usual behavior, it is very likely that he is stupid in what he says and 
> in what we read. On the other hand, if he shows. that elsewhere he 
> largely masters his subject, we must first think that what we do not 
> understand perhaps comes from us, and not from him.
> But I like your sense of humor anyway.
> N.B. The color of the invisible proton, I haven't photographed it yet, 
> but I remain hopeful.
> 
> R.H.

I will however write this:

A proton is guided by RF-cavities and bending magnets around
the circuit in the LHC.
If the speed of the proton wasn't exactly right (slightly less than c)
the RF-cavities wouldn't work because each cavity has to be in the right 
phase when the proton passes it, and the bending magnets wouldn't guide 
the proton around the bends because the deflection of the proton
is strongly dependent on its speed.

I do indeed understand what you are saying.

You are saying that when the physicists drifting the LHC know
that a proton has went around the circuit once, it has really
went around the circuit 6933 times.

This is an incredible stupid claim, and it is hard to believe
that a sane person can believe so.

Your "theory" isn't even wrong, it is only incoherent nonsense.

Enough now!

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/