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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge --- Hand in the cookie
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:54:36 -0500
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On 7/16/2024 8:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 7/16/24 9:34 AM, olcott wrote:
>> On 7/16/2024 6:53 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 7/15/24 10:55 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 7/15/2024 9:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 7/15/24 10:06 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/15/2024 3:48 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-07-11 13:51:47 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/11/2024 2:07 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-10 13:58:42 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/8/24 8:28 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Every expression of language that cannot be proven
>>>>>>>>>>>> or refuted by any finite or infinite sequence of
>>>>>>>>>>>> truth preserving operations connecting it to its
>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning specified as a finite expression of language
>>>>>>>>>>>> is rejected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an infinite 
>>>>>>>>>>> sequence of truth preserving operations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Every time that you affirm your above error you prove
>>>>>>>>>> yourself to be a liar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is quite obvious that you are the liar. You have not shown 
>>>>>>>>> any error
>>>>>>>>> above.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Richard said the infinite proofs derive knowledge
>>>>>>>> and that infinite proofs never derive knowledge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is included in my "not shown above", in particular the word 
>>>>>>> "proofs".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an
>>>>>>  > infinite sequence of truth preserving operations.
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We cannot know that anything is true by an infinite
>>>>>> sequence of truth preserving operations as Richard
>>>>>> falsely claims above.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are just mixing up your words because you don't understd that 
>>>>> wrores. amnd just making yourself into a LIAR.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our KNOWLEDGE that the statement is true, comes from a finite proof 
>>>>> in the meta system. 
>>>>
>>>> Thus zero knowledge comes from the infinite proof
>>>> You spelled "known" incorrectly as "know" yet claimed
>>>> that knowledge comes form an infinite proof.
>>>>
>>>> You can't even pay attention to your own words ???
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is no "infinite proof".
>>>
>>
>> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> *know to be true*
>> *know to be true*
>> *know to be true*
>> *know to be true*
>> *know to be true*
>> by an infinite sequence of truth preserving operations.
>>
>> Nothing can ever be known to be true
>> by an infinite sequence of truth preserving operations.
>>
> 
> Right, you just don't parse it right because you don't understand english.
> 
> the "by" refers to the closer referent.
> 
> it is KNOW TO BE
> TRUE BY an infinite sequence of truth persevng operations.
> 
> The infinite sequence establish what makes it True, not what make the 
> truth known.
> 

In other words when you are caught with your hand in the
cookie jar stealing cookies you deny:
(a) That your hand is in the jar
(b) That there is a jar
(c) That there are any cookies

On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
 >
 > Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an
 > infinite sequence of truth preserving operations.
 >




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