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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge --- Hand in the cookie
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 22:07:31 -0500
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On 7/16/2024 8:54 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 7/16/2024 8:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 7/16/24 9:34 AM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 7/16/2024 6:53 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 7/15/24 10:55 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 7/15/2024 9:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/15/24 10:06 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/15/2024 3:48 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-11 13:51:47 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/11/2024 2:07 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-10 13:58:42 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/8/24 8:28 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every expression of language that cannot be proven
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or refuted by any finite or infinite sequence of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth preserving operations connecting it to its
>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning specified as a finite expression of language
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is rejected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an infinite 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sequence of truth preserving operations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Every time that you affirm your above error you prove
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself to be a liar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is quite obvious that you are the liar. You have not shown 
>>>>>>>>>> any error
>>>>>>>>>> above.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Richard said the infinite proofs derive knowledge
>>>>>>>>> and that infinite proofs never derive knowledge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is included in my "not shown above", in particular the word 
>>>>>>>> "proofs".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>  > Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an
>>>>>>>  > infinite sequence of truth preserving operations.
>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We cannot know that anything is true by an infinite
>>>>>>> sequence of truth preserving operations as Richard
>>>>>>> falsely claims above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are just mixing up your words because you don't understd that 
>>>>>> wrores. amnd just making yourself into a LIAR.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our KNOWLEDGE that the statement is true, comes from a finite 
>>>>>> proof in the meta system. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus zero knowledge comes from the infinite proof
>>>>> You spelled "known" incorrectly as "know" yet claimed
>>>>> that knowledge comes form an infinite proof.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't even pay attention to your own words ???
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no "infinite proof".
>>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> *know to be true*
>>> *know to be true*
>>> *know to be true*
>>> *know to be true*
>>> *know to be true*
>>> by an infinite sequence of truth preserving operations.
>>>
>>> Nothing can ever be known to be true
>>> by an infinite sequence of truth preserving operations.
>>>
>>
>> Right, you just don't parse it right because you don't understand 
>> english.
>>
>> the "by" refers to the closer referent.
>>
>> it is KNOW TO BE
>> TRUE BY an infinite sequence of truth persevng operations.
>>
>> The infinite sequence establish what makes it True, not what make the 
>> truth known.
>>
> 
> In other words when you are caught with your hand in the
> cookie jar stealing cookies you deny:
> (a) That your hand is in the jar
> (b) That there is a jar
> (c) That there are any cookies
> 
> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>  >
>  > Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an
>  > infinite sequence of truth preserving operations.
>  >
> 

Nothing is known to be true by an infinite sequence of truth
preserving operations.

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hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer