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Path: ...!npeer.as286.net!npeer-ng0.as286.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge --- Hand in the cookie jar --- pants on fire Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 07:55:58 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 119 Message-ID: <v78f0u$1rc43$1@dont-email.me> References: <RpKdnUjg8sjx0Bb7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <2d0b6260615af8afac79ee8de57bcd45c2f2056f@i2pn2.org> <v6fk9p$mr5k$1@dont-email.me> <8bd5f2159853ff17ef81b27a85141bccc324e7d9@i2pn2.org> <v6fkrb$mr5k$2@dont-email.me> <v6fl9a$mr5k$3@dont-email.me> <v6huj5$12ktu$2@dont-email.me> <7387a77d06e4b00a1c27a447e2744a4f10b25e49@i2pn2.org> <v6i08a$12ktu$4@dont-email.me> <c81e1794259853dfd7724900ebfab484679615be@i2pn2.org> <v6m42j$1tj30$9@dont-email.me> <v6o0an$2bqh7$1@dont-email.me> <v6oo1j$2fuva$2@dont-email.me> <v72no8$kinb$1@dont-email.me> <v73adp$mjis$19@dont-email.me> <359671d4a94f2caa82dc3c4884daa2ff73396a8d@i2pn2.org> <v74ner$13bn1$2@dont-email.me> <d72aa54790eaa53cbe11dfccca12c67249d0d9f6@i2pn2.org> <v75st8$19j7l$1@dont-email.me> <0c7d3ace11c3a5a50ac7d7beb8b2091114ad82d3@i2pn2.org> <v7788t$1h739$1@dont-email.me> <v77chj$1lkkf$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:55:58 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f64513aa3f157d417bd9d336ffe725cf"; logging-data="1945731"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+KM3arunselvpJINyyno6a" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:yQF7BNqOR+fy/r0OL+KqgqqPk/Y= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v77chj$1lkkf$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 6034 On 7/16/2024 10:07 PM, olcott wrote: > On 7/16/2024 8:54 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 7/16/2024 8:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 7/16/24 9:34 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 7/16/2024 6:53 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 7/15/24 10:55 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 7/15/2024 9:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/15/24 10:06 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/15/2024 3:48 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-11 13:51:47 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/11/2024 2:07 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-10 13:58:42 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/8/24 8:28 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every expression of language that cannot be proven >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or refuted by any finite or infinite sequence of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth preserving operations connecting it to its >>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning specified as a finite expression of language >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is rejected. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an >>>>>>>>>>>>> infinite sequence of truth preserving operations. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Every time that you affirm your above error you prove >>>>>>>>>>>> yourself to be a liar. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It is quite obvious that you are the liar. You have not shown >>>>>>>>>>> any error >>>>>>>>>>> above. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Richard said the infinite proofs derive knowledge >>>>>>>>>> and that infinite proofs never derive knowledge. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That is included in my "not shown above", in particular the >>>>>>>>> word "proofs". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an >>>>>>>> > infinite sequence of truth preserving operations. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We cannot know that anything is true by an infinite >>>>>>>> sequence of truth preserving operations as Richard >>>>>>>> falsely claims above. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are just mixing up your words because you don't understd that >>>>>>> wrores. amnd just making yourself into a LIAR. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our KNOWLEDGE that the statement is true, comes from a finite >>>>>>> proof in the meta system. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thus zero knowledge comes from the infinite proof >>>>>> You spelled "known" incorrectly as "know" yet claimed >>>>>> that knowledge comes form an infinite proof. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can't even pay attention to your own words ??? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is no "infinite proof". >>>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> *know to be true* >>>> *know to be true* >>>> *know to be true* >>>> *know to be true* >>>> *know to be true* >>>> by an infinite sequence of truth preserving operations. >>>> >>>> Nothing can ever be known to be true >>>> by an infinite sequence of truth preserving operations. >>>> >>> >>> Right, you just don't parse it right because you don't understand >>> english. >>> >>> the "by" refers to the closer referent. >>> >>> it is KNOW TO BE >>> TRUE BY an infinite sequence of truth persevng operations. >>> >>> The infinite sequence establish what makes it True, not what make the >>> truth known. >>> >> >> In other words when you are caught with your hand in the >> cookie jar stealing cookies you deny: >> (a) That your hand is in the jar >> (b) That there is a jar >> (c) That there are any cookies >> >> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> > >> > Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an >> > infinite sequence of truth preserving operations. >> > >> > > Nothing is known to be true by an infinite sequence of truth > preserving operations. > The bottom line is that you made a mistake and then continued to lie about it. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer