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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is Correctly rejected as non-halting V2 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:02:01 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <v78mda$1smtm$2@dont-email.me> References: <v6rg65$32o1o$3@dont-email.me> <a177dd76613794d6bb877c65ffe6c587a8f31bc1@i2pn2.org> <v6tvpv$3imib$14@dont-email.me> <091e8b7baeea467ee894b1c79c8943cb9773adb7@i2pn2.org> <v6u346$3khl8$1@dont-email.me> <16ac79611a441e7e01119631051f69119eee958a@i2pn2.org> <v6v06i$3pivt$1@dont-email.me> <23cb2d2401b87bf4f6a604aa1a78b93ffc9a29bc@i2pn2.org> <v6v2t1$3pmjn$3@dont-email.me> <3fc6548531f91ed14a27420caf9679a634573ed0@i2pn2.org> <v70lmo$61d8$1@dont-email.me> <8a6e6d9ff49aabe2525ce5729a439c807de4768a@i2pn2.org> <34Ocnd4voeWlDAn7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v725d7$hlvg$1@dont-email.me> <aa7643b6d8c46d2c4dd5ef92ae3650afe114adbb@i2pn2.org> <v734ct$mjis$2@dont-email.me> <056325e336f81a50f4fb9e60f90934eaac823d22@i2pn2.org> <v73gk2$obtd$1@dont-email.me> <e2958e7ea04d53590c79b53bfb4bc9dff468772b@i2pn2.org> <v742r2$s48s$2@dont-email.me> <210383b2ee318f68a96d94aec314ee8b93f79b7f@i2pn2.org> <v75u22$19j7l$4@dont-email.me> <fde630817c49562bc765bdbc98e16a1582bcad53@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 17:02:02 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f64513aa3f157d417bd9d336ffe725cf"; logging-data="1989558"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18viDSKDJiCAnFFkDqOqkgm" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:RhSYuCxMfS+pICKqRZ0g5nqsn+8= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <fde630817c49562bc765bdbc98e16a1582bcad53@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3979 On 7/16/2024 1:06 PM, joes wrote: > Am Tue, 16 Jul 2024 08:54:10 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 7/16/2024 3:23 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Mon, 15 Jul 2024 16:03:30 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 7/15/2024 3:58 PM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Mon, 15 Jul 2024 10:52:34 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>> On 7/15/2024 9:04 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>> Am Mon, 15 Jul 2024 07:23:57 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>> On 7/15/2024 3:59 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>> Am Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:35:03 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>> On 7/14/2024 10:02 PM, Mike Terry wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non termination of >>>>>>>>>> simulating termination analyzer HHH necessarily specifies >>>>>>>>>> non-halting behavior or it would never need to be aborted. >>>>>>>>> It's just that the input HHH halts and does not need to be >>>>>>>>> aborted. >>>>>>>> At the point that it is aborted it did need to be aborted >>>>>>> Because it hadn't halted yet? >>>>>> Because HHH has seen a repeating state that proves that DDD >>>>>> correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly ever stop running unless >>>>>> aborted. >>>>> Which state is it that repeats forever? >>>> *It had never been which state DOES repeat forever* >>>> *It has always been which state WOULD repeat forever if not aborted* >>> Well then, which state of HHH would repeat forever? >> It is not "which state of HHH would repeat forever?" >> It is: Which state of HHH would repeat forever if not aborted? > Those two are the same, but different to what you said above. > HHH does not repeat forever because it makes sure to stop simulating > anything that does. > I proved that they are not the same in the part that you skipped. >>>> Infinite_Loop() doesn't even repeat forever because it is aborted. >>> By itself it does. > -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer