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Subject: Re: People ask if the overpriced underpowered iPhone SE can compete
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 08:40:59 -0700
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On 2024-07-17 06:49, badgolferman wrote:
> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>> badgolferman wrote on Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:56:16 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>> In my opinion Tesla has Apple beaten when it comes to successful marketing.
>>
>> Hi badgolferman,
>> You'll never hear me disagree with a sensible argument, nor will I disagree
>> with your logic when I don't really know much about Tesla's marketing.
>>
>> Given how far behind Apple is in almost everything (except profits), I'd
>> put Apple on the same marketing genius scale as Coca Cola & Virginia Slims.
>>
>> People buy based on what marketing tells them to buy; if Tesla is the same,
>> then I'd agree with you on that logic - but I'm not familiar with Tesla's.
>>
>>> They single-handedly created a section of the automobile market that hardly
>>> any one wants, made it seem like a luxury car, have more electrical
>>> problems than British and German cars, and are about to be overtaken by
>>> cheap Chinese cars. Teslas are pure junk but people want them for the cool
>>> factor. Exhibit A: Cybertruck.
>>
>> Here, in California, Tesla was successful in convincing the wacko
>> government to mandate electric cars - which - for a huge state like
>> California is a big deal as they already successfully make it illegal to
>> purchase a "new" vehicle out of state (based on CARB regulations).
>>
>> So even if you bought a used vehicle out of state, you can't register it in
>> California (where they defined new as fewer than 7,500 miles as I recall).
>>
>> The problem I have with the electric car mandate is that they're basically
>> mandating toy cars that pollute (in many ways) far more than ICE vehicles.
>>
>> So the net is more pollution (actually different pollution) and less
>> functionality (e.g., range) such that you have to keep both a real car and
>> one of these toy cars in order to have the same functionality as today.
> 
> No argument with your assessment of electric vehicles. It also looks like
> the general public has finally wisened up to the toy aspect as well. These
> vehicles can only become mainstream with government intervention, not on
> their own merits.
> 
>>> At least Apple makes reliable products that work decently despite being
>>> overpriced for what you get.
>>
>> I agree with any sensibly logical statement where more than half of the USA
>> loves the Apple product so much that they gift Apple it huge profits.
>>
>> My main problem with Apple is how much they lie to their consumer, and my
>> main problem with their consumer is how stupid they are in believing it.
>>
>> It's like when Virginia Slims was advertised as liberating women from men.
>>
>> But back to the topic, have you noticed I listed key functional & price
>> differences between the iPhone SE and an el-cheap Android?
>>
>> What did the strange zealots do?
>> Did the strange zealots debate the technical merits?
>>
>> Or did the strange zealots do everything they could to deflect the topic?
>>
> 
> They want me to debate you on your claims but I’ve never claimed to be
> knowledgeable enough to dispute the technical details related to mobile
> phones. I’ll leave that up to those who have an axe to grind.
> 

What is technical about pointing out obvious lies?