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From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
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Subject: Re: People ask if the overpriced underpowered iPhone SE can compete
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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:14:30 -0700
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On 2024-07-17 13:12, badgolferman wrote:
> Alan wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-07-17 11:05, Andrew wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote on 17 Jul 2024 16:36:15 GMT :
>>>
>>>>> What is technical about pointing out obvious lies?
>>>>
>>>> He's trying really hard to play the plausible deniability card,
>>>> like most cowards do.
>>>
>>> Which of these facts are you religious fundamentalists claiming is
>>> a lie?
>>>
>>>   The $200 Nothing CMF1 battery capacity = 5,000mAh
>>>   The iPhone SE battery capacity = 1642 mAh.
>>>
>>>   The $200 Nothing CMF1 RAM capacity = 8GB
>>>   The iPhone SE RAM capacity = 4GB
>>>
>>>   The $200 Nothing CMF1 display = 6.67" Super AMOLED
>>>   The iPhone SE display = 4.7" LCD IPS
>>>
>>>   The $200 Nothing CMF1 display refresh = 120Hz
>>>   The iPhone SE display refresh = 60Hz
>>>
>>>   The $200 Nothing CMF1 removable portable storage capability = 2TB
>>>   The iPhone SE removable portable storage capability = 0 bytes
>>
>> This particular part of the conversation was focused on your reply to
>> BGM, who had said that many people prefer iOS.
>>
>> Your reply wasn't a listing of specifications (again).
>>
>> It was this (in its entirety):
>>
>> 'Hi badgolferman,
>>
>> You'll never hear me disagree with a sensibly logical statement.
>>
>> So thanks for pointing that out, which, as you're likely aware, is
>> almost completely due to pure marketing spending (not R&D spending)
>> by Apple.
>>
>> As you're likely aware, Apple's R&D spend has always been the lowest
>> in high tech - while Apple's marketing spend is one of the highest on
>> earth.
>>
>> Marketing alone, e.g., convincing people to believe that the Apple
>> ecosystem is safer and more secure, is what drives that high demand.
>>
>> Not functionality. Not performance. Not capabilities.
>> Marketing alone.'
>>
>> This statement:
>>
>> 'As you're likely aware, Apple's R&D spend has always been the lowest
>> in high tech - while Apple's marketing spend is one of the highest on
>> earth.'
>>
>> Is a complete lie. You are deliberately lying.
>>
>> And it's not a technical argument. It is simple, deliberate lie about
>> easily checked facts:
>>
>> <https://www.fdiintelligence.com/content/feature/global-innovation-leaders-2022-edition-82527>
>>
>> As of that report, only three companies outspend Apple in R&D:
>>
>> Amazon, Alphabet (Google), and Meta (Facebook).
>>
>> Now, you have tried to advance the notion that what matters is R&D
>> spending as a percentage of revenue, but that is absurd on its face.
>>
>> Let me do a thought experiment for you (well, really for everyone
>> else, because there is precious little evidence that you ever bother
>> thinking):
>>
>> Let us imagine an innovative technology company spending $X on R&D,
>> and that number is 30% of their revenue, when suddenly, the product
>> that they sell becomes tremendously successful; doubling their
>> revenue while their R&D spending remains constant.
>>
>> Is that company suddenly less innovative because their revenues have
>> grown?
>>
>> BGM: what do you think?
> 
> 
> I think it's easy to find statistics which back up anyone's position.
> Often times those very same statistics can be manipulated in a way to
> suddenly support someone else's position.

Oh! Suddenly you care about support!

> 
> Personally I don't care how much or what percentage of sales/market
> value/bottom line Apple spends on marketing or research & development.
> I don't take personally anything Arlen says because he often makes some
> good points regardless of my own mobile phone preferences.  I have
> owned Apple iPhones since the 4 model and Arlen has done nothing to
> convince me to drop my phones.  Apologists like nospam and Jolly Roger
> have done far more to taint Apple's reputation in my eyes than Arlen
> has.

What don't care about is having the personal integrity to call a lie a lie.