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Subject: Isaiah rebuttled Heretic Manis Friedman (a Chabad Rabbi)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 08:36:07 -0000 (UTC)
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title: Manis Friedman New World Religion Exposed
source: Rabbi Yaron Reuve
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6otRbRQCbpg&t=3s

   Comment (which apparently was removed for unknown reasons and by
   unknown person / mechanism.)

Isaiah 45:9, Qoute:

    9 Woe to him who contends with his Creator, a potsherd among the
    potsherds of the earth, shall the clay say to its potter, "What do
    you make? And your work has no place."

    10 Woe to him who says to a father, "What do you beget?" and to a
    woman, "Why do you experience birth pangs?"

    https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15976#lt=primary

This is the argument Manis is using. He is the clay who contends with the
potter, complaining the work is not good. The Creator already answered it,
saying: "woe to him". It seems these arguments have already surfaced in
the time of Isaiah, and God answered them. We are the clay. Manis is the
clay. It is for him to try to be good. This is the task he has been given,
for which he has been formed. By choosing to do what is right and good, he
becomes right and good. By choosing to do wrong and bad, he becomes wrong
and bad.  This is his own doing, is it not ? By blessings and curses,
HKB'H seems to shape the human clay, according to its accomplishments,
since it says:

    Deut. 28:2 And all these blessings will come upon you and cleave to
    you, if you obey the Lord, your God.

    Deut. 28:15 And it will be, if you do not obey the Lord, your God,
    to observe to fulfill all His commandments and statutes which I am
    commanding you this day, that all these curses will come upon you
    and overtake you.

Woe to the clay, who blames its Creator for its own faults, while the
Creator gave us the ability to be good, and not only that, he told us
in detail how to be good (especially the Jewish people). Blessed be the
Creator, who in his great wisdom taught Israel, who punishes and who
rewards, for our own benefit, so that we may live.

[Continuing on Usenet]

It is interesting how someone who promotes the bizarre logic that he is
promoting, going against the Torah in a big way, is at the same time
also promoting immorality. He belittles doing bad things, he pretends
there is no reward or punishment in this (or the next) world, he
pretends God needs to apologize to him rather than the other way around,
etc. 

If he has this pontificated belief without seemingly having any reason 
for it, that he thinks God needs him rather than the other way around,
he can just as easily couple that to a moral imperative: because God
needs me, I should do the best job I can possibly do to make the Creator
happy. What makes the Creator happy if you are Jewish: obviously it is
in doing the Torah. Why not make that conclusion ? Why not choose the
route of the good, of morality ? 

Probably because he has a preconceived objective of tearing down
morality and the good, the Torah, and is merely looking for reasons to
ratify and spread this intention. 

Rabbi Yaron Reuve said Manis Friedman asks a lot of money for speaking
and the like. I found this, which seems to be him:

https://itsgoodtoknow.org/donate Quote:


               Rabbi Friedman’s Inner Circle MOST POPULAR
               $ 180/month Donate
               
               Enjoy a FREE, PRIVATE 20-minute Zoom consultation with
               Rabbi Friedman

               Receive a PERSONALIZED blessing by Rabbi Friedman. When
               you sign up you will immediately receive a request form
               in which you can write down a blessing you would like
               him to give.

               Get 2 autographed books: “The Joy of Intimacy” and
               our book, “Doesn’t Anyone Blush Anymore?”

               20% OFF all store items

               Access to LIVE INTERACTIVE classes 3x weekly with Rabbi
               Friedman on various topics, including an open Q&A session
               at the end. Classes are recorded for your listening
               convenience.

End quote.

180,- a month ! Crazy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manis_Friedman Quote:

    Friedman is the most popular rabbi on YouTube,[11] with over 450,000
    subscribers as of February 2024.[12]

End quote. 

Friedman made a video with titles "The secret to growing your wealth."
I didn't watch it because it is hard for me to watch this immoral 
garbage, sorry. 

What I did see though (other videos), is that he is quite skilled in
the arts of a slick tongue. If you want to follow his pontificated
and pseudo-logical ramblings, you more or less get sucked into it. It
reminds me of the Jesus fraud system speakers, who have the same habbit
of non-stop pontificating their opinions as if they are the deepest
truths, yet on closer inspection it doesn't add up to much. There may be
one difference here though, because even many gentile speakers of those
religions still want to make a moral argument in the end, but with Manis
Friedman it seems to turn out into the opposite: a call to be immoral,
that it doen't matter what you do, that God is at fault, and so on.

I think one big problem here is that he is doing some sort of
pretentious mostly pontificated pseudo-logic, like it is a debate, but
you don't get to hear the other side of the argument. He is taken as
like an authority, but he should be taken as a speaker in a Parliament,
who needs frequent and hard headed interruptions from the opposition,
because he is talking nonsense, twisting things, flipping them around,
not willing to see other sides of it, and so on. They just sit there and
take it, like he is an oracle. You need to cut him off after his first
sentence, and give the counter argument if necessary.

This is not a Rabbi who is explaining issues of the Torah, or what the
law is, whom you could let speak because it is interesting and
worthwhile, moral also. Manis Friedman is a slippery speaker, sneaky and 
deceptive, he tries to suck you into his views. What he also seems to be
exploiting is that when he makes some pseudo-logical pontification which
on closer inspection is nonsense, he keeps talking over it, so that you
don't have the time to stop and think because he keeps going with new
statements which at first glance seem to have a logic and truth to it,
but on deeper thinking become basically meaningless. He keeps people
their brains in the state of listening / absorbing, preventing them from
reaching the point of processing analytically and critically what was
said. The mannerism of a friendly old man is key here I guess, similar
to the Pope and the like. Dissimilar from what I saw a lot of Rabbis do,
who just talk in an ordinary and clear voice, some of them a bit more
emotional, others a bit more serious, everyone according to their
nature. This nodding smilinng old man tactic with his rambling speech,
jokes which are really not jokes (it's fun for people to go to
hell?!?!), it puts people in sleep mode.

You'll notice the opposites in money making also. A lot of Rabbis do not
ask for money, and I'm sure that many who do ask for money, do it
because they may really have a need for it. In my personal case, I don't
even allow you to donate to me. I don't need it. I do sell a book, but
only because that's paper and will be printed, but you can get the
entire book in the public domain for a free download (complete), and you
get the right to sell it for your own profit (!). Everything is free. I
don't do it for the money.

Notice these things, Israel. Your God is pulling you through a ceive.
Stick to the truth, stick to the morality, and soon you will be Redeemed !
Like someone said: God is taking out the lawless Jews, because God
doesn't need them. This is the job he is performing, this Manis
Friedman.

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Conflict of book prohibition and the below program, which has such a
strong stance on freedom of speech. There is a tension here, it cannot
be denied. The Beit Din on the heretic Manis Friedman basically said:
don't sell this book.

The reason I made this strong system of political rights, because we
(people of Europe and the world in general) have such a bad experience
with the repression of political speech. We need to be allowed to
criticize our bosses and our Governments, in safety, and also to
organize against them if needed.

The Jewish people are the assembly of God, around the Torah. There is a
natural tension between the principle of freedom of speech and freedom
of assembly. The way this is envisioned is not an assembly around
freedom of speech necessarily, but that everyone can make up their own
assemblies as they wish. Everyone can live their own choices and
cultures, in their own Sovereign countries. The right to assembly can
for instance say: we want to assemble everyone who believes in the
Torah, so that we can live together. The Muslems could say: we wish to
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