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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JAB <here@is.invalid> Newsgroups: misc.news.internet.discuss Subject: Re: jobs apocalypse Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 07:00:00 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 27 Message-ID: <v7dkg1$2vnh2$1@dont-email.me> References: <v7953v$1vm0b$1@dont-email.me> <v7961i$781$1@solani.org> <c1b101da-3f75-fcdf-97ef-6842f144f9e3@example.net> <v7aubr$2d5cj$1@dont-email.me> <348a13ae-4f32-aa34-d37c-5e8b851b253d@example.net> <v7ckf8$2qcq8$1@dont-email.me> <0485c0de-2035-a917-a68e-4e31cec555b9@example.net> Reply-To: JAB <here@is.invalid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 14:00:02 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7f59d85da180f51cd4733e676e15c111"; logging-data="3137058"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+jOU/Rk5OgynAjZcyq7r+s" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:i29mzbzkoKD/YTx6qUpVpkIEl4Q= Bytes: 2577 On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 11:52:59 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >Socializing the cost Example The report documents that the amount that road users pay through gas taxes now accounts for less than half of what we spend to maintain and expand the road system. The shortfall is made up from other sources of tax revenue at the state and local level. This subsidization of car users costs the typical household about $1,100 per year - over and above what they pay in gas taxes, tolls and other user fees. There are good reasons to believe that the methodology of Who Pays for Roads, if anything, considerably understates the subsidies to private vehicle operation. It doesn't examine the hidden subsidies associated with the free public provision of on-street parking, or the costs imposed by nearly universal off-street parking requirements, that drive up the cost of commercial and residential development. It also ignores the indirect costs that come to auto and non-auto users alike from the increased travel times and travel distances that result from subsidized auto oriented sprawl. And it also doesn't look at how the subsidies to new capacity in some places undermine the viability of older communities (a point explored by Chuck Marohn at length in in his Strong Towns initiative.) https://cityobservatory.org/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-free-way/