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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: OT NASA CHAPEA Mars Simulation. Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 18:07:25 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 57 Message-ID: <v7eo2t$35mqi$1@dont-email.me> References: <v6l3ab$1oqau$2@dont-email.me> <v7bhh7$2gl41$1@dont-email.me> <v7cmea$2qc40$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 00:07:26 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="74fb58d1f6f0c2b3c85b9239074c6ca8"; logging-data="3332946"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18A+PKeEn56R2JFzLGPrt6GlmVEfj41YEA=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:FBmw4Fy4qY7ST9Q0FHi5pHF+qK0= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v7cmea$2qc40$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2898 On 7/18/24 11:27 PM, Titus G wrote: > On 19/07/24 04:57, Robert Carnegie wrote: >> On 10/07/2024 05:39, Titus G wrote: >>> Four volunteers have spent 378 days living in a 1,700-square-foot space >>> 3D-printed by NASA to simulate conditions on Mars. Fascinating. >>> "The volunteers grew their own vegetables, maintained equipment, >>> participated in so-called Marswalks and faced stressors that actual >>> space travelers to Mars could experience, including 22-minute >>> communication delays with Earth." >>> https://www.npr.org/2024/07/07/nx-s1-5032120/nasa-mars-simulation-volunteers-year >>> >>> Four people in 1700 square feet for over a year? (If it was a SF story, >>> at least two of them would have gone mad or been killed.) >>> What about water? Gravity? >> >> There have been previous exercises. > > Thank you. > >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2 > > Over 3 acres. > >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HI-SEAS > > Wow. 6 people in a smaller area. > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500 > > Similar. 6 people but a period of 520 days. > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Running >> >> :-) > > Not a simulation. 1 person with a 4 person spaceship to himself for a > fairly short time. > "All models are wrong, but some are useful." - George Box Generally: it is often impossible and/or unreasonable to do an identical simulation, model, practice run, etc. That does not mean these things will not yield insightful results or info. (It does not mean they will, either.) I haven't looked into any details about the above-mentioned stuff, so I have no idea what valuable info can be gleaned (if any); but I'd want to know more before rejecting them out of hand. Tony