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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: More farm workers infected by the dairy virus
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 18:59:27 -0500
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On 7/16/2024 9:29 AM, RonO wrote:
> On 7/16/2024 9:06 AM, RonO wrote:
>> On 7/15/2024 11:44 AM, RonO wrote:
>>> On 7/13/2024 9:04 AM, RonO wrote:
>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/three-presumptive-bird-flu-cases-reported-poultry-workers-colorado-rcna161686
>>>>
>>>> 3 farm workers cleaning up an infected poultry farm were infected by 
>>>> the Dairy virus.  Where the Dairy virus goes poultry flocks start to 
>>>> go down.  In Michigan they found that some dairy workers at infected 
>>>> farms also worked at poultry farms, and around twice as many had 
>>>> close contacts that worked on poultry farms (17%).  They have known 
>>>> from Texas with the first poultry flock to go down with the Dairy 
>>>> virus that humans likely took the virus onto the poultry farm.  They 
>>>> tried to blame equipment because the virus is not infective off skin 
>>>> and clothing for more than half an hour, but can remain infective on 
>>>> a solid surface for 24 hours.  An infected person shedding virus is 
>>>> obviously the bests means to infect the poultry flock and other 
>>>> dairy herds that did not get infected cattle.  They already had an 
>>>> example of an infected dairy worker shedding virus in Texas, so it 
>>>> seemed obvious that infected humans were taking the virus to poultry 
>>>> farms by the time all the flocks in Michigan began to go down, but 
>>>> the USDA and CDC have been in willful denial mode.
>>>>
>>>> Infected humans have been transferring the virus to Dairy herds in 
>>>> states that did not get cattle, and have been infecting poultry 
>>>> flocks with the dairy virus.  The work determining how many dairy 
>>>> workers have been infected has never been done at this time, but 
>>>> everyone knows that more than 4 is not just likely but a given.  
>>>> Only 61 dairy workers have been tested of those 61 the CDC admits 
>>>> that over half were not tested correctly (only nasal swabs when most 
>>>> of the positive cases have been negative for nasal swabs but 
>>>> positive for eye swabs). There has been no attempt to identify all 
>>>> the infected herds in order to limit the infection and human contacts.
>>>>
>>>> The willful stupidity is likely politically driven.  Instead of 
>>>> trying to prevent the next pandemic the CDC has decided to monitor 
>>>> all states for influenza activity, and if there is an increase in 
>>>> influenza cases they will act.  This is so tragically lame.  Instead 
>>>> of prevent the virus from evolving into a pandemic virus they will 
>>>> try to contain the issue after it becomes an issue in the human 
>>>> population.  Colorado demonstrates how stupid this strategy is.  The 
>>>> dairy worker infected in Colorado had respiratory symptoms.  The 
>>>> poultry workers had eye infections, but some of them also had 
>>>> respiratory symptoms.  The virus can obviously infect humans whether 
>>>> it comes from cows or birds, and in Colorado it is becoming a 
>>>> respiratory infection.  They need to identify all the infected herds 
>>>> and now poultry flocks in Colorado and quarantine the herds and farm 
>>>> workers.
>>>>
>>>> The more herds infected the more humans will be infected, the more 
>>>> chance that the virus will evolve into a pandemic virus.  Willful 
>>>> stupidity should not be allowed to continue.
>>>>
>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/health/colorado-bird-flu-humans-confirmed/index.html
>>>
>>> Two more Colorado poultry workers from the same farm have tested 
>>> positive for H5N1 dairy influenza.  All 5 of the infected poultry 
>>> workers came from the same farm and were working with the same 
>>> infected birds.  This likely should tell everyone how many dairy 
>>> workers have likely been infected since dairy cows shed virus for 
>>> over 4 weeks, and these workers were likely only exposed for a few 
>>> days cleaning out the infected flock.  They do not say how many had 
>>> respiratory symptoms, but the state that some did.  The Colorado 
>>> virus may have mutated to better infect humans, but still produces 
>>> mild symptoms.  The CDC is waiting for sequencing results to tell 
>>> them how bad the situation may be.
>>>
>>> These poultry workers could have infected other flocks and herds if 
>>> they worked on other farms, but the CDC isn't doing any contact tracing.
>>>
>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Oklahoma has finally admitted to having infected dairy herds so the 
>> number of positive states have become 13.  Oklahoma is one of the 
>> states identified by the FDA back on May 10th as having H5N1 positive 
>> dairy products, but the USDA and CDC never followed up.  The fact that 
>> it has taken this long for the infection to be detected in Oklahoma is 
>> due to the willful stupidity of how the dairy virus has been handled 
>> by the USDA and CDC.  It is obvious that the USDA and CDC could have 
>> just started sampling dairy products in the lower 48 states, 
>> identified dairies that contributed milk to those processing plants 
>> and identified most of the infected herds.  They could have started 
>> contact tracing to idenify more herds that could have been infected by 
>> the known infected herds.
>>
>> Oklahoma hasn't been announced by the USDA, you have to go to their 
>> web site and find out that 2 Oklahoma dairy herds were reported 
>> positive July 11th.
>>
>> https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/hpai-confirmed-cases-livestock
>>
>> There were 9 other states where the FDA idenitfied H5N1 positive dairy 
>> products that were not then known to have infected herds, but no one 
>> followed up.  3 of the last 4 states added to the positive list were 
>> among the 9 identified by the FDA as having positive dairy products 
>> back in May.  By now the virus has likely spread to many other states 
>> because no one identified the infected herds, and tried to limit 
>> infection by limiting dairy worker contacts with other farms.
>>
>> As tragically stupid as it may be Florida was one of the states 
>> identified by the FDA as having postive dairy products and it was very 
>> far from other known positive states (the closest state was North 
>> Carolina) and yet no one bothered to identify the infected herds in 
>> that state (There has been no admission to having positive herds in 
>> Florida).   The CDC also knew that one Florida county had absurdly 
>> high waste water readings for influenza and yet they didn't check the 
>> dairies in that county.  Florida has a high population and is not 
>> where you want this type of virus to fester and evolve.  The Dairy 
>> virus has been allowed to spread in Florida unchecked for months.
>>
>> Ron Okimoto
>>
> 
> https://www.statnews.com/2024/07/15/bird-flu-snapshot-h5n1-infected-herds/
> 
> Reality is worse than I depicted.  STATnews has an article on it.  The 
> Oklahoma samples were collected by the dairy farmer in April, but he 
> didn't submit them for testing until the USDA offered compensation.  So 
> his positive dairy herds may have contributed to the positive FDA 
> results in May, and his herds have been allowed to spread the virus for 
> months.  The recommendation to protect dairy workers did not apply to 
> this farmer because his herds were not known to be infected, so his 
> dairy workers were likely exposed for months as the virus burned through 
> his herd.
> 
> The STAT article also has something from the Norwegian Institute of 
> Public Health "gave voice to a rising pessimism about the prospects of 
> containing the H5N1 outbreak in cows in a recent report."  The CDC and 
> USDA haven't even tried to identify all the infected herds, and 
> definitely haven't tried to restrict the spread of the virus among the 
> herds and poultry flocks.  They have recommendations that only are for 
> known infected herds, and so they obviously are not working due to the 
> fact that they refuse to identify all the infected herds.
> 
> The USDA already has a milk testing program in place for things like 
> taking cell counts to identify mastitis, but they refuse to test milk 
> samples for H5N1.  They could just test milk products produced in every 
> state, and identify herds that contribute to positive samples.  They 
> could obviously be pooling samples and not testing every cow.  The 
> willful stupidity has just allowed the virus to spread out of control.
> 
> Ron Okimoto
> 

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