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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEcuIElzYWFr?= <agisaak@gm.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Who here understands that the last paragraph is Necessarily true? --- Self-Modifying Turing Machine Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 18:44:41 -0600 Organization: Christians and Atheists United Against Creeping Agnosticism Lines: 22 Message-ID: <v7f19p$37c8h$1@dont-email.me> References: <v6un9t$3nufp$1@dont-email.me> <v7013v$2ccv$1@dont-email.me> <v70nt7$61d8$6@dont-email.me> <58fc6559638120b31e128fe97b5e955248afe218@i2pn2.org> <v71mjh$bp3i$1@dont-email.me> <1173a460ee95e0ca82c08abecdefc80ba86646ac@i2pn2.org> <v71okl$bvm2$1@dont-email.me> <5f6daf68f1b4ffac854d239282bc811b5b806659@i2pn2.org> <v71ttb$crk4$1@dont-email.me> <60e7a93cb8cec0afb68b3e40a0e82e9d63fa8e2a@i2pn2.org> <v721po$h4kr$1@dont-email.me> <v73td3$qkp2$6@dont-email.me> <v73tvs$qpi9$1@dont-email.me> <v74n81$13bn1$1@dont-email.me> <fafa57d75cf800c930c76530acd72148c77fff87@i2pn2.org> <v75ul2$19j7l$5@dont-email.me> <v77s2f$1o4oh$1@dont-email.me> <v78gi1$1rc43$6@dont-email.me> <v7d5r0$2t5hr$1@dont-email.me> <v7dsit$30pvh$4@dont-email.me> <16d10a0709c3c319cbb98138bb8937b4f7e9c563@i2pn2.org> <v7e2mn$3251t$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 02:44:42 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b0231afd23a1448c928a9dd9c1dad82c"; logging-data="3387665"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+HYKhDWkzoimL5uTSuqUlY" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ti9KQU+aSdVmYqkbq8zhEC+eUCg= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v7e2mn$3251t$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2660 On 2024-07-19 10:02, olcott wrote: > A Self-Modifying Turing Machine is defined as a Turing > Machine Description that has access to its own tape > location on the UTM that is simulating it. Umm. Maybe explain how that's supposed to work... A TM has no idea whether it is being run directly or being run in a UTM. And even if it is being run in a UTM, it certainly does NOT have access to the machine description which is present on the UTM's tape. There's lots of examples of UTMs available on the web. Maybe you should actually try playing around with some of them so you can learn how actual UTMs work. Hint: It's not how you think. André -- To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail service.