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From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl>
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Subject: Manis - the heretic - Friedman is a phony talker. Israel: return.
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 17:18:25 -0000 (UTC)
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title: Parashat Chukat For The Heretics
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGtdumkTEM4
source:  Yaron Reuven Short Torah Clips

Someone wrote in a comment that fake Rabbi (by all standards) Manis
Friedman that if God has a "need" then this is also a *Creation*.

  Reply:

Manis Friedman seems to have this childish reasoning. Perhaps it goes
like so: he reads in the Torah that God is single, one, and alone. He then
assumes that God is lonely, like a little boy without his mother. Then he
thinks, God created everything including me, because he was lonely. Then
he continues to ramble on in his mind: because God created me to fulfill
his own lonelyness and he si the Creator of Everything by definition,
he also created all my bad deeds, everything that happens has been done
by God. Therefore God is guilty of all the bad that happens. We blame God
for everything. Because we are innocent because we are hapless creations
(maybe he is?), we can do any bad we want, and God will not punish us
(despite saying the exact opposite in the Torah), because God knows he
is the guilty one himself (!). Since hell is too scary to think about,
it cannot exist because if God is guilty then he cannot put souls in
punishment or hell. Therefore hell does not exist, and it is merely an
adjustment for the soul moment after loosing your body, and/or where you
"meet your friends" (he told that to children).

It is off the cuff "logic", without a critical attitude, without doing
a counter analyses on anything. It has holes everywhere, and you pointed
out a good one which most people cannot even think off it seems. If you
think of creation being created out of nothing, than even that nothing -
if you picture a big black space - itself is a creation, because that's
how humans think. Nothing isn't nothing, and we are pretty much at
the end of our wits with this, I would think. Our minds are at least
partially shaped by the world, are they not ?

God is lonely, like a little boy ? Then why doesn't God talk to you,
M.Friedman. Why doesn't he invite you to a game of chess or a cup of
coffee ? Why does the Torah sometimes use a plural for God (it does,
right?). Why doesn't he hang out with Moshe Rabbeinu all the time.

Even _if_ God created a need for himself to create this world, so
? There is no inference from that, that _therefore_ you are innocent of
any wrong you are doing. God also gave you the Torah to keep, and the
power to do it. He just asked you: don't do any wrong, but if you do I
will be there to punish you. That is help, the punishment is help.

Even _if_ God created humanity and the Universe for a need he may have,
which is just so far beyond what any of us can even understand so why
do we even spend time on it, then doesn't it follow the exact opposite:
if the one who gave you life has a need for you, then be nice back for
all the good things you have and the chance of happiness. Rather than
berate HKB'H for being wrong because you - a fool - know better than
the Master of the Universe the King of all Creation, ask HKB'H what
you can do for Him if you think He needs something from you, and then
do it gladly. However you don't need to ask because you already know:
if you are Jewish, he gave you the Torah to do, so that you may live.

Manis Friedman acts like he has no power to not do evil, because any evil
he does is the fault of God, yet God gave him the Torah to complete,
and the ability to do it, to resist doing evil, to avoid going to
hell. In this act of so choosing, we earn our rights you could say,
we have our adventure and we earn our place. We do an amount of work
that way, which apparently _we_ have a need to accomplish.

We are here the humans on Earth, we are the ones messing up: war, strife,
lying, stealing, and all the rest of it, and soon it could blow up in ways
we could barely believe possible (nuke war), and what is going to happen
with all this high technology, AI data processing and the capacity to
make robotic weapons, all the detection equipment, everything non-stop
in feverish development ? I was just thinking yesterday: the power
of modern technology will soon be so great that it becomes basically
indistinguishable from magic (whatever that is, I don't even know). We
are the ones with the need, because we are destroying ourselves.

Don't we want to live and be happy ? Then we need to change for
the better. Aren't we the ones who want nice houses ? HKB'H gave us
everything, but with that power also comes the power to destroy. Clearly,
we are the needy ones, and His Torah is here to help us, and his
punishment is here to help us as well.

Hence in short: Manis - the heretic - Friedman, his logic is nothing,
there is no logic, it does not hold up to casual scruteny. It is not
good to be religious, and that from a Rabbi no less, with a people
who need to come back to the Torah ?! Religious for the Jew means the
Torah ! That's not just some random religion. How dare he say it ?! How
dare the Rasha belittle the Torah ?! He talks like Amalek, he has the
morality of an Ndrangetah family "go to hell to meet our friends" and
"hell doesn't exist" and "there is no punishment", precisely the rantings
I expect in some dungeon where the mafia gathers, or the MS13 criminals
in Middle America just before they murder a group of innocent people.

This isn't even close to being the same as the Islam or the western
idolators. This is a whole new level of shallow crazyness, of promoting
law breaking and everything wrong. I am thinking, those who follow Manis
Friedman, they have just given up their Redemption.

Everything is in the hands of HKB'H though. It's merely a test. Those
who are unworthy will cling to the fool. However one has to fight for all
the people, lest someone who could live is deceived by his nonsense. Oy
oy oy ... and Chabad does nothing, I do not comprehend it. I guess the
cut is being made, and hope the loyal ones are being gathered by HKB'H,
to finally come out of exile, may it be speedily in your days.

[Continuing ...]

I think it is not possible for me to know basically anything about God.
I have heard the Jewish opinion say that all we know is that God is One.

I wrote it on Shabbos, because there is nothing else to do here, and
doing a little Torah or related topics seems the best way to pass the
time at the moment. You don't have to open a Usenet browser on Shabbos,
and I am not even Jewish either. Have a guten Shabbos.

It does not make sense what Manis Friedman is saying. You need to go
back to your Torah. Respect the laws of money and distribute the land to
all, keep to the Jubilee on land. The world needs its Lamp, because it
is not going well with humanity. Stop going after fools like Manis the
heretic Friedman, and return to your King, HKB'H. You don't even need a
moshiach either, you have the law in your hand, it simply waits for you
to start doing it.

Stop the dishonesty, stop the apathetic attitude. I think though that
also the Rabbis have done major damage by making laws over the top
strict. Example: two entire kitchens for no other reason than "do not
boil a small goat in the milk of its mother". You extend that now to
having two kitchens, one for milk and one for meat. I find it dishonest
(distasteful ?). If you did all the other laws well, it wouldn't matter,
but things like this bring about people like Manis Friedman who go in
the radical other direction. The extreme over the top strictness (not to
be confused with an abundance of charity, hospitality and loving
kindness of which there is probably never enough so long as you don't
destroy yourself) then creates a breeding ground for what is now
happening. In that sense: over the top dictatorial Rabbis have created
this Manis Friedman themselves.

Over the top laws for Shabbos, and then you pull the rug out from
underneath in the evening, and suddenly you potentially ruined the
entire rest day, despite all your over the top strictness like walking
in the dark or sittin in the cold because flicking a modern light switch
is forbidden because of some convoluted theory that it is the same as
making a fire in the days of Moshe Rabbeinu (try rubbing sticks
together, and you will understand that it falls in the category of hard
work).

Also binding boxes to your head and belts to your arms: who does it
benefit ? Over the top strictness and also something which is very
outwardly, and non-stop brachas (blessings) over everything that happens
and then memorizing all these blessings: for what ? Who does it benefit ?
Does it weigh up against one heartfelt thanks to the Creator, so that
you feel good about the law ? The Torah says: thank God once you have
eaten well. You add you add you add, and then comes Manis Friedman who
gives the repressed people a way out: being religious is wrong, and
they're so releived they fall all the way into lawlessness.

Pages of law about how not to ask interest, and then the heter iska
takes it away. Few things might be so important as the Jubilee on land,
but hey no problem, some random idea about the land this or tribes not
that, and they pretend they don't have to keep to it, while meanwhile
they try to make the 2nd Temple biggend and bigger and bigger. The 2nd
Temple became larger and more embellished in the end, but the Jubilee
was skipped, right ? I read at least that in the end the Jubilee was
skipped several times. Over the top in one area where you can all see 
it, but then the heart of the law is ripped out.

Ohhhhh "two kitchens" ! Very obvious, very in-your-face. Whom does it
benefit ? Does it benefit the poor, the downtrodden, the needy ?
Ohhhhh "box tied to the head" ! Very obvious, very in-your-face. Whom
does it benefit ?
Ohhhhh a big 2nd Temple, gold here, Lamp of Helena there, always bigger.
Very obvious, very in-your-face. Whom does it benefit ? The landless ?
The exploited ? The day laborer ? The hungry ?
Ohhh what a beautiful set of Shabbos candles, how frum ! Very
in-your-face, everyone can see it. Such a proof ! Whom does it benefit ?
When you stop the Shabbos somewhere along that day, you broke it and you
didn't even rest yourself. Who else did you deny their rest day with
these tricks ? Did your animals get rest, your servants and slaves
(employees) ?

At least you dress very tidy and neatly, at least the Orthodox do. We
see such a mess on the street, and I am also guilty that I could dress
better. This at least I like, even though it is also very obvious and
in-your-face, but it's nice. You dress like neat people, the men at
least (usually). You don't follow decadent American fashion, or the
latest western horror: tattoos for normal people. Always resist that
garbage, which is of course totally forbidden in the Torah.

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