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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: More farm workers infected by the dairy virus
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 18:22:56 -0500
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On 7/19/2024 11:53 PM, erik simpson wrote:
> On 7/19/24 4:59 PM, RonO wrote:
>> On 7/16/2024 9:29 AM, RonO wrote:
>>> On 7/16/2024 9:06 AM, RonO wrote:
>>>> On 7/15/2024 11:44 AM, RonO wrote:
>>>>> On 7/13/2024 9:04 AM, RonO wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/three-presumptive-bird-flu-cases-reported-poultry-workers-colorado-rcna161686
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3 farm workers cleaning up an infected poultry farm were infected 
>>>>>> by the Dairy virus.  Where the Dairy virus goes poultry flocks 
>>>>>> start to go down.  In Michigan they found that some dairy workers 
>>>>>> at infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and around twice 
>>>>>> as many had close contacts that worked on poultry farms (17%).  
>>>>>> They have known from Texas with the first poultry flock to go down 
>>>>>> with the Dairy virus that humans likely took the virus onto the 
>>>>>> poultry farm.  They tried to blame equipment because the virus is 
>>>>>> not infective off skin and clothing for more than half an hour, 
>>>>>> but can remain infective on a solid surface for 24 hours.  An 
>>>>>> infected person shedding virus is obviously the bests means to 
>>>>>> infect the poultry flock and other dairy herds that did not get 
>>>>>> infected cattle.  They already had an example of an infected dairy 
>>>>>> worker shedding virus in Texas, so it seemed obvious that infected 
>>>>>> humans were taking the virus to poultry farms by the time all the 
>>>>>> flocks in Michigan began to go down, but the USDA and CDC have 
>>>>>> been in willful denial mode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Infected humans have been transferring the virus to Dairy herds in 
>>>>>> states that did not get cattle, and have been infecting poultry 
>>>>>> flocks with the dairy virus.  The work determining how many dairy 
>>>>>> workers have been infected has never been done at this time, but 
>>>>>> everyone knows that more than 4 is not just likely but a given. 
>>>>>> Only 61 dairy workers have been tested of those 61 the CDC admits 
>>>>>> that over half were not tested correctly (only nasal swabs when 
>>>>>> most of the positive cases have been negative for nasal swabs but 
>>>>>> positive for eye swabs). There has been no attempt to identify all 
>>>>>> the infected herds in order to limit the infection and human 
>>>>>> contacts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The willful stupidity is likely politically driven.  Instead of 
>>>>>> trying to prevent the next pandemic the CDC has decided to monitor 
>>>>>> all states for influenza activity, and if there is an increase in 
>>>>>> influenza cases they will act.  This is so tragically lame. 
>>>>>> Instead of prevent the virus from evolving into a pandemic virus 
>>>>>> they will try to contain the issue after it becomes an issue in 
>>>>>> the human population.  Colorado demonstrates how stupid this 
>>>>>> strategy is.  The dairy worker infected in Colorado had 
>>>>>> respiratory symptoms.  The poultry workers had eye infections, but 
>>>>>> some of them also had respiratory symptoms.  The virus can 
>>>>>> obviously infect humans whether it comes from cows or birds, and 
>>>>>> in Colorado it is becoming a respiratory infection.  They need to 
>>>>>> identify all the infected herds and now poultry flocks in Colorado 
>>>>>> and quarantine the herds and farm workers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The more herds infected the more humans will be infected, the more 
>>>>>> chance that the virus will evolve into a pandemic virus.  Willful 
>>>>>> stupidity should not be allowed to continue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/health/colorado-bird-flu-humans-confirmed/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Two more Colorado poultry workers from the same farm have tested 
>>>>> positive for H5N1 dairy influenza.  All 5 of the infected poultry 
>>>>> workers came from the same farm and were working with the same 
>>>>> infected birds.  This likely should tell everyone how many dairy 
>>>>> workers have likely been infected since dairy cows shed virus for 
>>>>> over 4 weeks, and these workers were likely only exposed for a few 
>>>>> days cleaning out the infected flock.  They do not say how many had 
>>>>> respiratory symptoms, but the state that some did.  The Colorado 
>>>>> virus may have mutated to better infect humans, but still produces 
>>>>> mild symptoms.  The CDC is waiting for sequencing results to tell 
>>>>> them how bad the situation may be.
>>>>>
>>>>> These poultry workers could have infected other flocks and herds if 
>>>>> they worked on other farms, but the CDC isn't doing any contact 
>>>>> tracing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oklahoma has finally admitted to having infected dairy herds so the 
>>>> number of positive states have become 13.  Oklahoma is one of the 
>>>> states identified by the FDA back on May 10th as having H5N1 
>>>> positive dairy products, but the USDA and CDC never followed up.  
>>>> The fact that it has taken this long for the infection to be 
>>>> detected in Oklahoma is due to the willful stupidity of how the 
>>>> dairy virus has been handled by the USDA and CDC.  It is obvious 
>>>> that the USDA and CDC could have just started sampling dairy 
>>>> products in the lower 48 states, identified dairies that contributed 
>>>> milk to those processing plants and identified most of the infected 
>>>> herds.  They could have started contact tracing to idenify more 
>>>> herds that could have been infected by the known infected herds.
>>>>
>>>> Oklahoma hasn't been announced by the USDA, you have to go to their 
>>>> web site and find out that 2 Oklahoma dairy herds were reported 
>>>> positive July 11th.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/hpai-confirmed-cases-livestock
>>>>
>>>> There were 9 other states where the FDA idenitfied H5N1 positive 
>>>> dairy products that were not then known to have infected herds, but 
>>>> no one followed up.  3 of the last 4 states added to the positive 
>>>> list were among the 9 identified by the FDA as having positive dairy 
>>>> products back in May.  By now the virus has likely spread to many 
>>>> other states because no one identified the infected herds, and tried 
>>>> to limit infection by limiting dairy worker contacts with other farms.
>>>>
>>>> As tragically stupid as it may be Florida was one of the states 
>>>> identified by the FDA as having postive dairy products and it was 
>>>> very far from other known positive states (the closest state was 
>>>> North Carolina) and yet no one bothered to identify the infected 
>>>> herds in that state (There has been no admission to having positive 
>>>> herds in Florida).   The CDC also knew that one Florida county had 
>>>> absurdly high waste water readings for influenza and yet they didn't 
>>>> check the dairies in that county.  Florida has a high population and 
>>>> is not where you want this type of virus to fester and evolve.  The 
>>>> Dairy virus has been allowed to spread in Florida unchecked for months.
>>>>
>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.statnews.com/2024/07/15/bird-flu-snapshot-h5n1-infected-herds/
>>>
>>> Reality is worse than I depicted.  STATnews has an article on it.  
>>> The Oklahoma samples were collected by the dairy farmer in April, but 
>>> he didn't submit them for testing until the USDA offered 
>>> compensation. So his positive dairy herds may have contributed to the 
>>> positive FDA results in May, and his herds have been allowed to 
>>> spread the virus for months.  The recommendation to protect dairy 
>>> workers did not apply to this farmer because his herds were not known 
>>> to be infected, so his dairy workers were likely exposed for months 
>>> as the virus burned through his herd.
>>>
>>> The STAT article also has something from the Norwegian Institute of 
>>> Public Health "gave voice to a rising pessimism about the prospects 
>>> of containing the H5N1 outbreak in cows in a recent report."  The CDC 
>>> and USDA haven't even tried to identify all the infected herds, and 
>>> definitely haven't tried to restrict the spread of the virus among 
>>> the herds and poultry flocks.  They have recommendations that only 
>>> are for known infected herds, and so they obviously are not working 
>>> due to the fact that they refuse to identify all the infected herds.
>>>
>>> The USDA already has a milk testing program in place for things like 
>>> taking cell counts to identify mastitis, but they refuse to test milk 
>>> samples for H5N1.  They could just test milk products produced in 
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