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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Honest Dialogue ?
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 12:38:37 +0300
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On 2024-07-20 13:28:36 +0000, olcott said:

> On 7/20/2024 3:54 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-07-19 14:39:25 +0000, olcott said:
>> 
>>> On 7/19/2024 3:51 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-18 13:17:22 +0000, olcott said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/18/2024 2:40 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-17 13:00:55 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 7/17/2024 1:43 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-16 14:21:28 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> When simulated input DDD stops running {if and only if}
>>>>>>>>> the simulation of this input DDD has been aborted this
>>>>>>>>> necessitates that input DDD specifies non-halting behavior
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> DDD does not stop runnig unless it is completely exeuted.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>> [00002163] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>> [00002164] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>> [00002166] 6863210000 push 00002163 ; push DDD
>>>>>>> [0000216b] e853f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>> [00002170] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>>> [00002173] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>> [00002174] c3         ret
>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002174]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH according to the semantic meaning of
>>>>>>> its x86 instructions never stop running unless aborted.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You mean HHH's simulation of DDD may not termite before HHH aborts it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> When we examine the infinite set of every HHH/DDD pair such that:
>>>>> HHH₁ one step of DDD₁ is correctly emulated by HHH₁.
>>>>> HHH₂ two steps of DDD₂ are correctly emulated by HHH₂.
>>>>> HHH₃ three steps of DDD₃ are correctly emulated by HHH₃.
>>>>> ...
>>>>> HHH∞ The emulation of DDD∞ by HHH∞ never stops running.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When each DDD of the HHH/DDD pairs above is correctly emulated
>>>>> by its corresponding HHH according to the semantic meaning of its
>>>>> x86 instructions it CANNOT POSSIBLY reach past its own machine
>>>>> address 0000216b, not even by an act of God.
>>>> 
>>>> You apparently mean that no HHHᵢ can simulate the corresponding DDDᵢ to
>>>> its termination?
>>> 
>>> No I don't mean that at all that incorrectly allocates the error
>>> to the emulator.
>> 
>> Anyway you did not say that some HHHᵢ can simulate the corresponding DDDᵢ
>> to its termination. And each DDDᵢ does terminate, whether simulated or not.
> 
> *Until you quit lying about this we cannot have an honest dialog*

I don't believe that you can have a honest dialog, at least not without
a chairman who wants to and can keep the dialog honest.

-- 
Mikko