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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Hypothetical possibilities Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:25:51 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 66 Message-ID: <v7j5pf$3o7r$8@dont-email.me> References: <v7gl30$3j9fi$1@dont-email.me> <v7h1fl$3lcvq$3@dont-email.me> <v7h224$3li66$3@dont-email.me> <v7h3je$3lcvq$6@dont-email.me> <v7h55o$2a60$1@news.muc.de> <v7h5fi$3m6kq$3@dont-email.me> <v7inno$1uji$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:25:52 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9ab67b95e26d71c9bf3d4bab69c0e6c7"; logging-data="123131"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19CyFN0162xvOpLwbbzKp25" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:HiQf32NyFM8U+8HEIEHWkulXfrs= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v7inno$1uji$3@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3456 On 7/21/2024 5:25 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 20.jul.2024 om 22:08 schreef olcott: >> On 7/20/2024 3:03 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> [ Followup-To: set ] >>> >>> In comp.theory Fred. Zwarts <F.Zwarts@hetnet.nl> wrote: >>> >>> [ .... ] >>> >>>> Olcott could not point to an error, but prefers to ignore it. So, I >>>> will >>>> repeat it, until either an error is found, or olcott admits that HHH >>>> cannot possibly simulate itself correctly. >>> >>> This has the disadvantage of making your posts boring to read. All but >>> one poster on this newsgroup KNOW that Olcott is wrong, here. >>> >>> Continually repeating your argument won't get him to admit he's wrong. >>> Richard has been trying that for much longer than you have, with the >>> same lack of success. Olcott's lack of capacity for abstract reasoning, >>> combined with his ignorance, combined with his arrogance, prevent him >>> learning at all. >>> >>> May I suggest that you reconsider your strategy of endless repetition? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >> >> So you are going to stupidly disagree with this? >> >> void DDD() >> { >> HHH(DDD); >> return; >> } >> >> It *is* a fact that no DDD correctly simulated by any >> pure function HHH ever reaches its own return instruction. > > Which proves that these simulations are incorrect. > _DDD() [00002163] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping [00002164] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping [00002166] 6863210000 push 00002163 ; push DDD [0000216b] e853f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DDD) [00002170] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002173] 5d pop ebp [00002174] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002174] *You don't get to be the judge of this* As long as the x86 machine language instructions of DDD are emulated by HHH according to the semantic meaning of these instructions then the emulation is correct and anyone that disagrees is disagreeing with a tautology. This correct emulation must take into account the fact that DDD is calling its own emulator: HHH(DDD) in recursive emulation. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer