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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Hypothetical possibilities -- I reread this again more carefully Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:37:17 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 36 Message-ID: <v7j6et$3o7r$11@dont-email.me> References: <v7gl30$3j9fi$1@dont-email.me> <v7h1fl$3lcvq$3@dont-email.me> <v7h224$3li66$3@dont-email.me> <e975eef57ba6d3d4cc790818c05b7165443f7ce4@i2pn2.org> <v7h5b2$3m6kq$2@dont-email.me> <73e4850d3b48903cf85b2967ba713aced98caf96@i2pn2.org> <v7h9on$3muu0$1@dont-email.me> <09536cf44fc4c3d14b37641cf8fdc9e8a8c24580@i2pn2.org> <v7hept$3o0be$1@dont-email.me> <97884acd35091ddd67bda892c7a3dd28e188f760@i2pn2.org> <v7hftt$3o7r5$1@dont-email.me> <f74209ef7d87b6f7891e4a2b89cc18bfe7233810@i2pn2.org> <v7hkb2$3otgn$1@dont-email.me> <1c5729ae6d0a7bca84d24eec9f85bf30de70e3d9@i2pn2.org> <v7hnu6$3pd9s$1@dont-email.me> <f0dda3e0d0e85081d8ce0cdd494f5f1f8f8c89e3@i2pn2.org> <v7huen$3u1jc$3@dont-email.me> <v7hvdo$3ua28$1@dont-email.me> <d818787a167fc3b04a87c6386c5e3c746cec8738@i2pn2.org> <v7j5dv$3o7r$7@dont-email.me> <67bdf3bb9630f0287dbc1c409dab3bccc4a1fa64@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:37:18 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9ab67b95e26d71c9bf3d4bab69c0e6c7"; logging-data="123131"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18IjDelR55NQsnRHDdbPiGv" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:vlXotVslhfPr0vXzBmoFHzSwi6g= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <67bdf3bb9630f0287dbc1c409dab3bccc4a1fa64@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3403 On 7/21/2024 9:33 AM, joes wrote: > Am Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:19:43 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 7/21/2024 4:05 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:31:04 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 7/20/2024 10:14 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 7/20/2024 8:46 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 7/20/24 9:23 PM, olcott wrote: > >>>>> DDD *correctly simulated* by pure function HHH cannot possibly reach >>>>> its own return instruction. >>>> Only DDD correctly emulated by HHH maps the finite string of the x86 >>>> machine code of DDD to the behavior that it actually specifies. >>> Almost correct. Other simulators may map it too, to the behaviour of >>> the direct execution. HHH doesn't. >> No decider is ever allowed to report on the behavior of the actual >> computation that itself is contained within because all deciders only >> take finite string inputs and thus never take a directly executing >> process as an input. > Of course. A decider may, however, be given the description of its > enclosing program as input. > The behavior of emulated DDD after it has been aborted changes the behavior of the directly executed DDD. When the second call of what would otherwise be infinite recursion is required to be aborted to prevent the infinite execution of the first call this proves that HHH(DDD)==0 is correct even though the directly executed DDD() halts. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer