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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Recursive simulation Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:53:34 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 42 Message-ID: <v7j7de$4me3$1@dont-email.me> References: <v7gl30$3j9fi$1@dont-email.me> <v7h1fl$3lcvq$3@dont-email.me> <v7h224$3li66$3@dont-email.me> <v7h3je$3lcvq$6@dont-email.me> <v7h55o$2a60$1@news.muc.de> <v7h5fi$3m6kq$3@dont-email.me> <v7inno$1uji$3@dont-email.me> <v7j5pf$3o7r$8@dont-email.me> <ecdcfa1c7eb6c6bf7d4609e5744874e1d880d989@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:53:35 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9ab67b95e26d71c9bf3d4bab69c0e6c7"; logging-data="154051"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19whtljj0jAau0UVZ7pus0j" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:VLtixV2ZU6L/+Eeih5Q9CEB1SR8= In-Reply-To: <ecdcfa1c7eb6c6bf7d4609e5744874e1d880d989@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2722 On 7/21/2024 9:37 AM, joes wrote: > Am Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:25:51 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 7/21/2024 5:25 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 20.jul.2024 om 22:08 schreef olcott: > >>>> It *is* a fact that no DDD correctly simulated by any pure function >>>> HHH ever reaches its own return instruction. >>> Which proves that these simulations are incorrect. >> *You don't get to be the judge of this* >> As long as the x86 machine language instructions of DDD are emulated by >> HHH according to the semantic meaning of these instructions then the >> emulation is correct and anyone that disagrees is disagreeing with a >> tautology. > They are not simulated correctly, they are aborted. > N instructions of DDD[N] are correctly emulated by some HHH[N] where N is each element of the ordered set of positive integers. >> This correct emulation must take into account the fact that DDD is >> calling its own emulator: HHH(DDD) in recursive emulation. > Only in so far that it also simulates all recursive calls. > Why is the return of HHH not simulated? > The return of HHH is not simulated for the same reason that the following OutputString("Hello World!"); would never be simulated. void Infinite_Recursion() { Infinite_Recursion(); OutputString("Hello World!"); } -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer