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From: badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject: Re: phone migration
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 17:09:48 -0000 (UTC)
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Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> badgolferman wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:54:39 -0000 (UTC) :
> 
>>> Every operating system NOT Apple, saves the original installer by default.
>> 
>> I have old installation programs which can no longer be installed on newer
>> versions of Windows.
> 
> I can discuss nuance of detail differently with you than with the zealots.
> 
> First, as rational intelligent well-informed adults, we should never
> disagree with a fact - which is my main point with these religious zealots.
> 
> Jolly Roger is claiming that the IPA is manufactured out of thin air, 
> which is, even he knows, a brazen lie, as only Apple operating systems do
> NOT store, by default, the original installer (at the time of
> installation).
> 
> If you don't already have a backup of that IPA (which you had to do on your
> own), then if that IPA is no longer on the App Store, you can't re-create
> it out of thin air (even with the payware iMazing app he speaks of).
> 
>    *Do we first agree on that fundamental fact, badgolferman?*
> 
> Once we agree on that fact, then we have to see how other operating systems
> do it as my claim is only Apple operating systems are brain dead this way.
> 
> Let's just compare with Windows & Android as those are what I use daily.
> 
> 1. iOS: Every IPA is deleted from the device after installing, by default.
> 2. Android: Every APK is saved, by default, on the device, 
>             after installing.
> 3. Windows: Every exe/msi is saved, by default, on the device, after 
>             installing.
> 
> You have to understand why agreeing on facts is important, as with the
> religious zealots, they don't even think about facts. Facts don't matter.
> 
> But to adults, facts are what we form our assessments upon.
> An adult's belief system is fundamentally based on facts.
> 
> Now, assuming you agree with those fundamental facts, it's up to the
> developer if they feel like supporting the existing operating system.
> 
> On Windows, you'd be hard pressed to find software that no longer works,
> but it does exist. I'm using Adobe Acrobat 6 and Microsoft Office 7, and
> both of those work just fine even as they must be something like 20 years
> old, so it's clear that most Windows software works decades later.
> 
> Not all.
> But most.
> 
> Same with Android.
> 
> Even better, while iOS inserts a unique AppleID into every app you install,
> that's not done on Windows and Android so an app that you installed on one
> Windows or Android will work on another in most cases.
> 
> Since we're adults, there are nuances in detail, as, for example, it could
> be a 64-bit installer which might not work on a 32-bit machine, or it could
> be a firefox executable where it checks for the Windows version as Mozilla
> doesn't feel like supporting Windows XP (which is something like 30 years
> old so I don't blame them).
> 
> But fundamentally, the reason I say iOS is primitive and brain dead and
> that it's designed as a dumb terminal is partly due to the Stone-Age manner
> that Apple handles IPAs, which is unlike how every other OS does things.
> 
> Do we agree on that?
> If you need clarification, let me know.
> 
> But please don't just deny everything you don't like about Apple which is
> what Jolly Roger and all the Apple religious zealots do all day, every day.
> 

I don’t t disagree with most of what you said. I haven’t done this in
years, but when I used the older version of iTunes, I was able to extract
and save the unsupported or older version of an IPA and restore it to a new
phone.  The one problem with that was if I wanted to keep an older version
of an app, the App Store always tried to update it with a newer version.
That means the App Store icon badge would always show a number and that’s
annoying to me. 

Even worse than Apple or developers forcing you to upgrade and lose
favorite features, is Microsoft moving to subscription services where you
have to rent programs like Office and such. It won’t be long before Apple
follows suit.