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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Analytic Truth-makers Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 11:26:08 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: <v7olj0$19f9b$1@dont-email.me> References: <v7m26d$nrr4$1@dont-email.me> <e41a2d324173031e1fe47acc0fd69b94b7aba55e@i2pn2.org> <v7msg0$sepk$1@dont-email.me> <3fb77583036a3c8b0db4b77610fb4bf4214c9c23@i2pn2.org> <MPG.4109e1eeb98e7f829896fe@reader.eternal-september.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:26:08 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c53d2de4672c698529f342dcfedcfa3a"; logging-data="1359147"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Azy0rASu4CHfoKzFgDqm9" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:7W85P4atqo0uAOiDRrxB6Zywuyk= In-Reply-To: <MPG.4109e1eeb98e7f829896fe@reader.eternal-september.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3013 On 7/23/2024 9:51 AM, Wasell wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jul 2024 20:17:15 -0400, in article > <3fb77583036a3c8b0db4b77610fb4bf4214c9c23@i2pn2.org>, Richard Damon wrote: >> >> On 7/22/24 8:11 PM, olcott wrote: > > [...] > >>> *No stupid I have never been saying anything like that* If g and >>> ~g is not provable in PA then g is not a truth-bearer in PA. >> >> What makes it different fron Goldbach's conjecture? > > I think a better example might be Goodstein's theorem [1]. > > * It is expressible in the same language as PA. > > * It is neither provable, nor disprovable, in PA. > > * We know that it is true in the standard model of arithmetic. > > * We know that it is false in some (necessarily non-standard) models > of arithmetic. > > * It was discovered and proved long before it was shown to be > undecidable in PA. > > The only drawback is that the theorem is somewhat more complicated > than Goldbach's conjecture -- not a lot, but a bit. > > > [1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodstein%27s_theorem> I am establishing a new meaning for {true on the basis of meaning expressed in language} Formerly known as {analytic truth}. This makes True(L,x) computable and definable. L is the language of a formal mathematical system. x is an expression of that language. When we understand that True(L,x) means that there is a finite sequence of truth preserving operations in L from the semantic meaning of x to x in L, then mathematical incompleteness is abolished. ~True(L,x) ∧ ~True(L,~x) means that x is not a truth-bearer in L. It does not mean that L is incomplete -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer