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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ulrich D i e z <ud.usenetcorrespondence@web.de> Newsgroups: comp.text.tex,sci.lang Subject: Re: Within a sentence, i think i have to use it like this \ldots\ Or otherwise, there'd be no space after the 3 dots. Followup-To: comp.text.tex Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:49:36 +0200 Message-ID: <v7pbum$8ffj$1@solani.org> References: <v7p1hk$1b339$6@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:47:50 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="278003"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:X4sEhrfWSeYk/Iy4P8UNL6RlH/Y= In-Reply-To: <v7p1hk$1b339$6@dont-email.me> X-User-ID: eJwFwYERACEIBLGW5GEPKUcZ6b+ET3CZOkMoGCa60bmuy+dULdkA5utuO+ud3N5EPiRN1Q8HdhAe Content-Language: de-DE Bytes: 4279 Lines: 76 [Followup-To: comp.text.tex] HenHanna wrote: > the name \ldots is a bit goofy, isn't it? Without amsmath package \dots and \ldots is the same. The l in \ldots indicates that the dots are lowered to the baseline of the line of text in contrast to what you get with \cdots in mathmode where c shall indicate that dots are sort of vertically centered as they are vertically alligned with the math-axis of the line of text. The math-axis in turn is where e.g. the horizontal bar of a fraction or the horizontal bar of + or - would occur. > Within a sentence, i think i have to use it > like this \ldots\ Or otherwise, there'd be no space after the 3 dots. \ldots in the LaTeX kernel is defined as \DeclareRobustCommand{\dots}{% \ifmmode\mathellipsis\else\textellipsis\fi} \let\ldots\dots \DeclareTextCommandDefault{\textellipsis}{% .\kern\fontdimen3\font .\kern\fontdimen3\font .\kern\fontdimen3\font} So both between the first and the second dot and between the second and the third dot and behind the third dot you get a horizontal kern corresponding to \fontdimen3, which denotes the maximum stretchability-component of interword space. > At the end of a Sentence, it's usually used like this, \ldots . (?) > > or more like this below? > \ldots~. > Robert Bringhurst, The Elements of Typographical Style: | 5.2.7 Use ellipses that fit the font. | | Most digital fonts now include, among other things, a prefabricated | ellipsis (a row of three baseline dots). Many typographers | nevertheless prefer to make their own. Some prefer to set the three | dots flush … with a normal word space before and after. Others prefer | . . . to add thin spaces between the dots. Thick spaces (ᴍ/3) are | prescribed by the Chicago Manual of Style, but these are another | Victorian eccentricity. In most contexts, the Chicago ellipsis is much | too wide. | | Flush-set ellipses work well with some faces, but in text work they | are usually too narrow. Especially at small sizes, it is generally | better to add space (as much as ᴍ/5) between the dots. Extra space | may also look best in the midst of light, open letterforms, such as | Baskerville, and less space in the company of a dark font, just as | Trajanus, or when setting in bold face. (The ellipsis generally used | in this book is part of the font and sets as a single character.) | | In English (but usually not in French), when the ellipsis occurs at | the end of a sentence, a fourth dot, the period, is added and the | space at the beginning of the ellipsis disappears. . . . When the | ellipsis combines with a comma, exclamation mark or question mark, the | same typographical principle applies. Otherwise, a word space is | required fore and aft. When it combines with other punctuation, in (as | it always does at the end of a sentence) the ellipsis, in English, is | also punctuation. On its own, it is a graphic word. The kerning table | must include it and the glyphs it sits next to. Sincerely Ulrich