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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Hypothetical possibilities --- Mindless robots programmed to
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 21:51:46 -0500
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On 7/23/2024 9:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 7/23/24 2:12 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 7/23/2024 12:38 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/23/2024 2:26 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-22 16:10:55 +0000, olcott said:
>>>
>>>>>> On 7/20/2024 3:03 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>> [ Followup-To: set ]
>>>
>>>>>>> In comp.theory Fred. Zwarts <F.Zwarts@hetnet.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> [ .... ]
>>>
>>>>>>>> Olcott could not point to an error, but prefers to ignore it. So, I
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> repeat it, until either an error is found, or olcott admits that 
>>>>>>>> HHH
>>>>>>>> cannot possibly simulate itself correctly.
>>>
>>>>>>> This has the disadvantage of making your posts boring to read. 
>>>>>>> All but
>>>>>>> one poster on this newsgroup KNOW that Olcott is wrong, here.
>>>
>>>>>>> Continually repeating your argument won't get him to admit he's 
>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>> Richard has been trying that for much longer than you have, with the
>>>>>>> same lack of success.  Olcott's lack of capacity for abstract 
>>>>>>> reasoning,
>>>>>>> combined with his ignorance, combined with his arrogance, prevent 
>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>> learning at all.
>>>
>>>>>>> May I suggest that you reconsider your strategy of endless 
>>>>>>> repetition?
>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Rebuttals like yours are entirely baseless by failing to point out 
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> mistake.
>>>
>>>>> What makes you think taht Alan Mackenzie was trying to rebut what
>>>>> Fred. Zwarts had said?
>>>
>>>
>>>> In other words you don't see the ad hominem attacks against
>>>> me that are listed above?
>>>
>>> What, exactly, is wrong with what you call my "ad hominem attacks"?  In
>>> most of what you write on this group you are objectively wrong, 
>>
>> *No as many as one person ever actually showed that*
>>
>> void DDD()
>> {
>>    HHH(DDD);
>> }
>>
>> int main()
>> {
>>    HHH(DDD);
>> }
>>
>> Of the two hypothetical possible ways that HHH can be encoded:
>> (a) HHH(DDD) is encoded to abort its simulation at some point.
>> (b) HHH(DDD) is encoded to never abort its simulation.
>>
>> We can know that (b) is wrong because this fails to meet the design 
>> requirement that HHH must itself halt.
> 
> and (a) is wrong because it says that DDD doesn't halt when it does.
> 

When the halting problem is defined as providing the halt
status of an input that does the opposite of whatever the
value to decider reports then people that are not mindless
robots programmed to disagree understand that the whole problem
must be tossed out on its ass.

Every yes/no question that has no correct yes/no answer IS WRONG !!!
It is not freaking undecidable IT IS WRONG !!!

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer