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From: Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Apple accused of underreporting suspected CSAM on its platforms
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 07:20:19 -0000 (UTC)
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Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2024-07-23, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-23, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-23, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Apple declined to comment on the NSPCC's accusation, instead
>>>>>>> pointing  The Guardian to a statement it made when it shelved the
>>>>>>> CSAM scanning  plan.  Apple said it opted for a different
>>>>>>> strategy  that “prioritizes  the security and privacy of [its]
>>>>>>> users.” The  company told Wired in  August 2022 that "children
>>>>>>> can be protected  without companies combing  through personal
>>>>>>> data."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is one reason many people choose Apple over alternatives.
>>>>> 
>>>>> iPhone.  The preferred mobile device of child molestors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This could be a new marketing ploy someday!
>>>> 
>>>> Privacy for everyone is important.
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I can't agree with that.  Some people give up their right to
>>> privacy when they harm others or society.  The laws are there for
>>> everyone, not just those who choose to follow them.
>> 
>> Agreed. 
>> 
>> No-one is forced to use icloud. If they didn't like the policy, they
>> could go elsewhere.
> 
> True. Unlike others, Apple's proposal was to only scan images on device
> that were being uploaded to Apple's servers, and only match hashes of
> them to a database of hashes matching known CSAM images. And only after
> multiple matches reached a threshold would Apple investigate further.

All correct. 

> Yet even with those precautions, there was still a realistic chance of
> false positives 

The rate was deterministic and tunable. 

> and invasion of privacy, which is why they scrapped the
> proposal.

No. They scrapped it because it wasn't worth pursuing. As a business it was
of no benefit to them and the noisy reaction was enough to put them off.
There wasn't any "invasion of privacy". At least no more than there
currently is in the US. 

>> Like to google and meta, who are more than happy to share millionsof
>> people's private photos with law enforcement which apparently is just
>> fine. 
> 
> And they do so with zero privacy protections in place. 

Which is apparently fine. If privacy is so, so important to you lot why
aren't you disgusted by this and attacking them all in the newspapers like
you did with Apple? You're just spineless hypocrites. 

The only mistake Apple did was to canvas opinions. They treated everyone
like adults and were shut down by the childlike reactionaries. No debate is
possible. 

The NSPCC should really be complaining at how ineffectual the tech
companies are rather than complain at Apple for not sending millions of
photos to already overwhelmed authorities.