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But truth bearer has another meaning.
The more correct terminology is anyway
truth maker, you have to shift away the

focus from the formula and think it is
a truth bearer, this is anyway wrong,
since you have two additional parameters
your "True" and your language "L".

So all that we see here in expression such as:

[~] True(L, [~] A)

Is truth making, and not truth bearing.
In recent years truth making has received
some attention, there are interesting papers
concerning truth makers. And it has

even a SEP article:

Truthmakers
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truthmakers/

A world of truthmakers?
https://philipp.philosophie.ch/handouts/2005-5-5-truthmakers.pdf

olcott schrieb:

> The key difference is that we no long use the misnomer
> "undecidable" sentence and instead call it for what it
> really is an expression that is not a truth bearer, or
> proposition in L.