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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Truth Bearer or Truth Maker Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:57:14 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: <v7rpra$1sv5t$2@dont-email.me> References: <v7rohj$9t9k$2@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:57:15 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="16ed067bd5cc70aacf71dd1f4de1f69e"; logging-data="1998013"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18HfA4uR/RjdyhstOY5AtJI" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:udR96inrudxUD0O24R/Y47IVS2M= In-Reply-To: <v7rohj$9t9k$2@solani.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2750 On 7/24/2024 3:34 PM, Mild Shock wrote: > But truth bearer has another meaning. > The more correct terminology is anyway > truth maker, you have to shift away the > > focus from the formula and think it is > a truth bearer, this is anyway wrong, > since you have two additional parameters > your "True" and your language "L". > > So all that we see here in expression such as: > > [~] True(L, [~] A) > > Is truth making, and not truth bearing. > In recent years truth making has received > some attention, there are interesting papers > concerning truth makers. And it has > > even a SEP article: > > Truthmakers > https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truthmakers/ > Because the received view has never gotten past Quine's nonsense rebuttal of the analytic synthetic distinction no other expert on truth-maker theory made much progress. {true on the basis of meaning expressed in language} conquers any of Quine's gibberish. A truth maker is any sequence of truth preserving operations that links an expression x of language L to its semantic meaning in language L. The lack of such a connection in L to x or ~x means that x is not a truth-bearer in L. > A world of truthmakers? > https://philipp.philosophie.ch/handouts/2005-5-5-truthmakers.pdf > This seems at least reasonably plausible yet deals with things besides {true on the basis of meaning expressed in language} > olcott schrieb: > > > The key difference is that we no long use the misnomer > > "undecidable" sentence and instead call it for what it > > really is an expression that is not a truth bearer, or > > proposition in L. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer