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Path: ...!npeer.as286.net!npeer-ng0.as286.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is Correctly rejected as non-halting V2 ---woefully mistaken rebuttal Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 09:35:33 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 103 Message-ID: <v7tnrl$2anub$1@dont-email.me> References: <v6rg65$32o1o$3@dont-email.me> <34Ocnd4voeWlDAn7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v725d7$hlvg$1@dont-email.me> <aa7643b6d8c46d2c4dd5ef92ae3650afe114adbb@i2pn2.org> <v734ct$mjis$2@dont-email.me> <056325e336f81a50f4fb9e60f90934eaac823d22@i2pn2.org> <v73gk2$obtd$1@dont-email.me> <e2958e7ea04d53590c79b53bfb4bc9dff468772b@i2pn2.org> <v742r2$s48s$2@dont-email.me> <210383b2ee318f68a96d94aec314ee8b93f79b7f@i2pn2.org> <v75u22$19j7l$4@dont-email.me> <fde630817c49562bc765bdbc98e16a1582bcad53@i2pn2.org> <v78mda$1smtm$2@dont-email.me> <v7d5cl$2t3ja$1@dont-email.me> <v7ds0o$30pvh$3@dont-email.me> <v7fs29$3f4g7$1@dont-email.me> <v7gd17$3hlc2$2@dont-email.me> <v7ikn4$1jv5$1@dont-email.me> <v7j2pg$3o7r$3@dont-email.me> <v7l3di$idv1$1@dont-email.me> <v7lnrf$luh0$1@dont-email.me> <v7niqp$13ghd$1@dont-email.me> <v7obbn$17h8r$1@dont-email.me> <2eecnR6fa9XiWzz7nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v7tlin$2acgd$1@dont-email.me> <v7tltt$296ug$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:35:34 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="43e64e6e679a39fe462151fef9da7f11"; logging-data="2449355"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+K237GkLXCl/3fyXN7gAX2" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:0tNtqM5Wg7VKNRgi5jwAZF8n6OA= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v7tltt$296ug$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 5778 On 7/25/2024 9:02 AM, Python wrote: > Le 25/07/2024 à 15:56, olcott a écrit : > ... >> If you care study the code that I just provided >> (and don't just ignore this and assume that I must be wrong) >> you can see that when DDD is correctly emulated by HHH that >> DDD does correctly have different behavior than DDD correctly >> emulated by HHH1. > > The same code emulated "correctly" twice with different behavior??? > > You are definitely insane, Robert. > HHH(DDD) emulates DDD that calls HHH(DDD) in recursive simulation that must be aborted to prevent the non-termination of HHH. HHH1(DDD) emulates DDD that calls HHH(DDD) in recursive simulation that must be aborted to prevent the non-termination of HHH. N instructions of DDD correctly emulated by HHH are show below. M instructions of DDD correctly emulated by HHH1 are show below. Every rebuttal of this for the last three years was entirely based on disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 instructions of DDD. typedef void (*ptr)(); int HHH(ptr P); void DDD() { HHH(DDD); } int main() { HHH(DDD); } _DDD() [00002177] 55 push ebp [00002178] 8bec mov ebp,esp [0000217a] 6877210000 push 00002177 [0000217f] e853f4ffff call 000015d7 [00002184] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002187] 5d pop ebp [00002188] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002188] _main() [00002197] 55 push ebp [00002198] 8bec mov ebp,esp [0000219a] 6877210000 push 00002177 [0000219f] e863f3ffff call 00001507 [000021a4] 83c404 add esp,+04 [000021a7] 33c0 xor eax,eax [000021a9] 5d pop ebp [000021aa] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0020) [000021aa] machine stack stack machine assembly address address data code language ======== ======== ======== ========= ============= [00002197][001037fb][00000000] 55 push ebp [00002198][001037fb][00000000] 8bec mov ebp,esp [0000219a][001037f7][00002177] 6877210000 push 00002177 ; push DDD [0000219f][001037f3][000021a4] e863f3ffff call 00001507 ; call HHH1 New slave_stack at:10389f Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation Execution Trace Stored at:1138a7 [00002177][00113897][0011389b] 55 push ebp [00002178][00113897][0011389b] 8bec mov ebp,esp [0000217a][00113893][00002177] 6877210000 push 00002177 ; push DDD [0000217f][0011388f][00002184] e853f4ffff call 000015d7 ; call HHH New slave_stack at:14e2c7 Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation Execution Trace Stored at:15e2cf [00002177][0015e2bf][0015e2c3] 55 push ebp [00002178][0015e2bf][0015e2c3] 8bec mov ebp,esp [0000217a][0015e2bb][00002177] 6877210000 push 00002177 ; push DDD [0000217f][0015e2b7][00002184] e853f4ffff call 000015d7 ; call HHH New slave_stack at:198cef [00002177][001a8ce7][001a8ceb] 55 push ebp [00002178][001a8ce7][001a8ceb] 8bec mov ebp,esp [0000217a][001a8ce3][00002177] 6877210000 push 00002177 ; push DDD [0000217f][001a8cdf][00002184] e853f4ffff call 000015d7 ; call HHH Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped [00002184][00113897][0011389b] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002187][0011389b][000015bc] 5d pop ebp [00002188][0011389f][0003a980] c3 ret [000021a4][001037fb][00000000] 83c404 add esp,+04 [000021a7][001037fb][00000000] 33c0 xor eax,eax [000021a9][001037ff][00000018] 5d pop ebp [000021aa][00103803][00000000] c3 ret Number of Instructions Executed(352831) == 5266 Pages -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer