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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> Newsgroups: sci.logic,comp.theory Subject: Re: What is your truth maker? (Ws: Truth Bearer or Truth Maker) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 20:05:42 +0200 Message-ID: <v7u45l$bn3h$2@solani.org> References: <v7rohj$9t9k$2@solani.org> <v7rpra$1sv5t$2@dont-email.me> <v7rsko$9vkk$1@solani.org> <v7rtu5$1tp9a$1@dont-email.me> <e197c26d636042212a7a60c04d8dff0803bb2503@i2pn2.org> <v7s6v0$1v7h9$1@dont-email.me> <v7t6m2$b7d9$1@solani.org> <v7tmol$2acgd$5@dont-email.me> <v7u3mm$bn3h$1@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 18:05:41 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="384113"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:RK/8uOvzvJeYlBS/3tVT1mw+5Ho= In-Reply-To: <v7u3mm$bn3h$1@solani.org> X-User-ID: eJwFwYEBwDAEBMCVGvGPcQj2H6F3uDx8pgQVi21WWV0tRDq1mBpi8/VLH8payGpf8d3BABLIdHtx0tJO/2LHFdw= Bytes: 2678 Lines: 45 My friend gave me this handwriting. He was in the US and bought an old fire-fighting helmet for a street selling event in New York City. Inside this helmet, probably the place of the lining, was an old notebook. He had thin cloth plates and felt the mold. His yellowish leaves were burned. In some places the ink was so muddy that the font was barely recognizable on the yellow paper. In some places, large parts of the text were completely damaged by water and there were only unreadable ink spots. The handwriting said: The truth is, there are no truth makers Mild Shock schrieb: > Simple corollary: > > it and its negation are both true > > Proof: Assume it and its negation are both not true > as Olcott wrote. Which translates to S is not true and > ~S is not true. What is your truth maker? > > Some truth maker, like the situational truth maker, has > that M |= A <=> ~(M |= ~A). This means ~S is not true, > is the same like S is true. And S is not true is the > > same like ~S is true. And therefore the corollary follows. > > Q.E.D. > > olcott schrieb: > >> "This sentence is not true" is indeed not true and >> thus satisfies its assertion that it is not true. >> >> The fact that it and its negation are both not true >> meets the criteria of incompleteness thus proving that >> the notion of incompleteness is incorrect. >> >