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From: The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Re: Emigration from Usenet [was: Re: PTD was the most-respected of
 the AUE regulars ...]
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 19:52:45 -0700
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On 7/25/24 5:03 AM, Rich wrote:
> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, The Real Bev wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/24/24 2:08 AM, D wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> [Followup-To: comp.misc]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Athel Cornish-Bowden to Steve Hayes:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Katy Jennison is another RR who doesn't seem to be here
>>>>>>> any more. I still see her sometimes on Facebook.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, but she specifically announced that she was leaving.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is an epidemic abroad of people leaving clean, stable,
>>>>> accessible, and independent venues such as Usenet, Fidonet,
>>>>> Mailing lists, and IRC, for centralised capitalist
>>>>> corporate-owned cenusured commercial "products" that are
>>>>> huge, bloated, tasteless, and require up-to-date hardware,
>>>>> OS, and software.  To me, this is a reiteration of the story
>>>>> of the red pottage[1]: selling one's freedom and cleanliness
>>>>> for immediate comfort.
>>>> 
>>>> It is a shame, but when I walk the city streets and see the young with
>>>> their faces in their smart phones, I am not surprised. You get all the
>>>> evils as preinstalled little icons, and the good stuff requires a few
>>>> hoops to jump through.
>>>> 
>>>> But I do wonder if there will be a movement away from the corporate
>>>> islands eventually?
>>>
>>> How would that work?  The aforementioned young are too stupid to realize how 
>>> trapped they are and/or too ignorant to do anything about it if they DO 
>>> figure it out.  The rest of us are just too damn tired :-(
>>>
>> 
>> A slow building up over time? Even if the majority is too stupid, perhaps 
>> there are a few who do see the light?
> 
> This is how it almost always happens (i.e., anyone remember 'myspace'
> from years ago)?  And I've seen news articles that imply the shift is
> already well underway for facebook.  Apparently the "young crowd" (as
> in the 20somethings and below) are all on Instagram because "facebook
> is for old people" (i.e., their parents, aunts, uncles, etc. are on
> facebook).
> 
> Sadly, the young crowd is just trading one corporate devil for another
> equally bad corporate devil.

Worse, I think.  The level of thought required has gone steadily 
downhills.  Usenet people still pay attention to writing clearly and 
ENOUGH to get their point across.  One-liners, unless funny, just don't 
cut it.  OTOH, I've noticed that we rarely intersperse comments any 
more.  In our favor, we rarely top-post.

Facebook discourages complex discussion.  For one thing, it's sometimes 
really hard to get back to the post that you spent some time thinking 
about before you were ready to reply, and then that post is gone. 
Probably still there, but not easy to find.  So most comments are just 
off-the-cuff reactions, which is OK, but it would be nice if there were 
more.

Can't speak to twitter or the other things because I don't use them, but 
I suspect that there is even less complexity involved.

So what the kids have now is a series of post-it notes.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
  "In all recorded history there has not been one economist who has
   had to worry about where the next meal would come from."
                      -- Peter S. Drucker, who invented management