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From: Antonio Marques <no_email@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups: sci.lang,alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 14:10:44 -0000 (UTC)
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Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> Antonio Marques <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>> Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>>>> ˈɹʷʊˑuɿ ᵊɹ̩
>>>> and this guy was like, "I don't think that 'u' is stressed!".
>> (Sorry, but I can't make sense either of the characters you wrote above
> 
>   Here's the whole shebang in ASCII: 
> 
> MODIFIER LETTER VERTICAL LINE - meaning the next syllable is stressed
> LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED R - to me that a bunched American r
> MODIFIER LETTER SMALL W - that r is rounded! (because it's initial)
> LATIN SMALL LETTER UPSILON - open "u"
> MODIFIER LETTER HALF TRIANGULAR COLON - that open "u" is half-lenghtened
> LATIN SMALL LETTER U - a [u]
> LATIN SMALL LETTER REVERSED R WITH FISHHOOK - American "t" of "router"
> SPACE - I used it to end the syllable, similar to how Wells uses it
> MODIFIER LETTER SMALL SCHWA - meaning some speakers insert a schwa here
> LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED R - another bunched American r
> COMBINING VERTICAL LINE BELOW - which is syllabic

So you were trying to do a 'fully' precise transcription of _router_ in
(some dialect of) american, is that it? Then the characters weren't
garbled, I simply had no idea of the context (it's very rare that one would
not write that inside [] in sci.lang).


>   . The "IPA" used above ain't your nana's brew - it's more
>   like a souped-up Wells model with some Canepari flair and my
>   own secret sauce thrown in. But hey, that "half-long" symbol?
>   That's straight-up textbook IPA, no bells and whistles!

It's half a long marker, which we usually write : for in here.

I have no idea how it may have appeared in his screen, or whether he had
reason to believe you were using it correctly. He might have thought you
were intending the secondary stress marker (over here, unless there is an
incredibly strong reason not to, we assume broad transcriptions almost
exclusively). The hypothesis that he didn't know the half length marker is
just not tenable. I can fully imagine how the conversation would
'unproceed' from there.

But hey, one may very well make the case that someone with decades of
knowledge of the IPA would simply not know the half length marker. It's
just that it isn't convincing.


>   PS: I ran a Python script to spit out the Unicode names from the IPA
>   string. The script was cooked up by a chatbot after I hit it with a
>   quick description of what I needed. Took me like a hot second to type
>   the description, way less time than if I'd written the script myself!
> 
> import unicodedata
> 
> def print_unicode_names( input_string ):
>     for char in input_string:
>         unicode_name = unicodedata.name( char, "Unknown" )
>         print( unicode_name )
> 
> sample_string = "INSERT IPA HERE"
> print_unicode_names( sample_string )
> 

Well, well. And I always discount python. Nice.