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From: Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Apple accused of underreporting suspected CSAM on its platforms
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 15:23:16 +0100
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On 25/07/2024 21:52, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 25 Jul 2024 19:22:24 GMT :
> 
>>>> You're simply guessing. I'm using logic.  They're different logical
>>>> algorithms.
>>>
>>> Nope. You're guessing just as much as JR.
>>>
>>> The facts - and we know you like them, but never look for them - are
>>> that there are many convictions on a depressingly regular basis. Just
>>> look at the press releases from the DoJ Project Safe Childhood:
>>> https://www.justice.gov/psc/press-room
>>
>> My statements aren't guesses. There have been plenty of convictions.

Apologies JR, I'm agreeing with you.

>> Unfortunately, there have also been privacy violations of innocent
>> people. And that's my primary concern when it comes to CSAM scanning.
> 
> Chris just lied about convictions.
> Why did Chris lie?

Given I was responding to your claim of "ZERO convictions"...

 > On 2024-07-24, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
 >> Jolly Roger wrote on 24 Jul 2024 15:48:22 GMT :
 >>
 >>>> For all that is in the news stories, it could be ZERO convictions
 >>>> resulted.
 >>>
 >>> It's nowhere near zero.
 >>
 >> It's probably zero given it's the most important metric.
 >
 > It's not zero. Not even close.

....there is no lie on my part.

> I don't know why Chris lied.
> All I know is that Chris lied.
> 
> I suspect Chris felt the need to lie because he had no valid point.
> The cite Chris listed said NOTHING whatsoever about the conviction rate.

Nor did you make any reference to a rate. You're getting your little 
mind confused.

Given the evidence that lots of people are being convicted of CSAM then 
the rate is also non-zero. We'll never know exactly as the relationship 
between the number of images disclosed by google et al is not directly 
linear to the number of convictions for a wide variety of reasons such 
as false positives, national borders, lack of traceability, size of 
image collection by the criminals, seriousness of crimes, etc.