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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Some bicycle paths...
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 20:32:09 -0500
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On 7/26/2024 7:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 7/26/2024 8:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 04:07:04 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 23:21:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm saying AR-style guns have no practical value in 
>>>> civilian hands, but
>>>> they impose serious societal harm. You agree they have 
>>>> no practical
>>>> value, and you demonstrate that by not owning one.
>>>>
>>>> Why do your actions contradict your arguments?
>>>
>>> <eyeroll>
>>>
>>> Does the fact that Krygowski doesn't own a pickup truck 
>>> mean that they
>>> have no practical value?
>>>
>>> Does the fact that most cyclists do not own a bike 
>>> generator mean that
>>> they have no practical value?
>>>
>>> Simple logic seems to be beyond Krygowski's intellect.
>>
>> Poor old Frankie. He thrashes around and comes up with 
>> what he thinks
>> is a logical argument but even a tiny bit of research 
>> would show him
>> that:
>> "The AR-15s are one of the most popular hunting rifles in 
>> America
>> nowadays, and there are several effective, accessible 
>> calibers with
>> bustling aftermarket's. These cartridges include 6.5 
>> Grendel, . 300
>> Blackout, . 450 Bushmaster, and ."
>>
>> https://blog.primaryarms.com/guide/ar-15-calibers-for-hunting-deer/
>> https://www.hunter-ed.com/blog/3-ar-15s-3-types-game/
>> https://time.com/4390506/gun-control-ar-15-semiautomatic-rifles/
>> https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/firearm-hunting/should-your-next-deer-rifle-be-an-ar-15
>> I could have gone on, there are at least 10 more pages,  
>> but why
>> bother as the first page is sufficient to show Frankie for 
>> the fool
>> that he is.
> 
> Did you really read those? The theme is "Ooh, ARs are 
> popular. And you _can_ use them for some hunting. Like wild 
> boars, or Hawaiian goats." But about half the copy was about 
> the downsides and how to mitigate them.
> 
> "with hunting smaller animals with an AR-15 is that you must 
> have a superior aim, and if you plan on eating your small 
> game, the AR is not ideal for the takedown.... ARs for these 
> animals are typically heavier than those built for small 
> game, so you may need to experiment with different stocks 
> for comfort... The standard .223/5.56 rounds are not ideal 
> for large animals... some states don't allow deer hunting 
> with .223 diameter bullets or an AR-15 rifle...the semi-auto 
> action is more likely to malfunction than simpler action 
> designs...A jammed AR-15 may require more steps to get it 
> back in the game...the possibility that the detachable 
> magazine could fall out during a hunt..."
> 
> Overall, it's about the changes needed to make a silk purse 
> out of a sow's ear. And still, I saw no mention of the great 
> advantage of being able to empty a 30 round magazine in less 
> than a minute while hunting.
> 
> I guess that's because it's real value is hunting kids in a 
> schoolroom, right?
> 
> 

Right. As with bicycles, different designs have greater or 
lesser success in various applications.

The AR platform in .223 has some advantages at medium/close 
range where weight matters. Longer distance low MOA is 
better achieved with larger calibers and varmint shooters 
like very small high speed rounds such as the .17.

Same with a stable mudguard/carrier equipped commuters with 
heavy durable wide tires. You didn't see even one in the T de F.

That said there are magnitudes more .223 ARs than .50 
Barretts and equally proportioned numbers of commuter bikes 
vs real race bikes.
-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971