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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!news.karotte.org!news.space.net!news.muc.de!.POSTED.news.muc.de!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Hypothetical possibilities --- stupid rebuttal Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 14:59:36 -0000 (UTC) Organization: muc.de e.V. Message-ID: <v8320o$3c7$3@news.muc.de> References: <v7gl30$3j9fi$1@dont-email.me> <v7led6$kacj$1@dont-email.me> <v7lsg5$luh0$5@dont-email.me> <v7nm9m$1433k$1@dont-email.me> <v7ofe7$17h8r$6@dont-email.me> <v7qfu0$1m6vf$1@dont-email.me> <v7r040$1onhe$3@dont-email.me> <v7vlbj$2ofet$1@dont-email.me> <v80a2u$2rabc$4@dont-email.me> <v825jo$39i9l$1@dont-email.me> <v82u9d$3dftr$3@dont-email.me> <v8306v$3c7$1@news.muc.de> <v83161$3dftr$11@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 14:59:36 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.muc.de; posting-host="news.muc.de:2001:608:1000::2"; logging-data="3463"; mail-complaints-to="news-admin@muc.de" User-Agent: tin/2.6.3-20231224 ("Banff") (FreeBSD/14.1-RELEASE (amd64)) Bytes: 2516 Lines: 32 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote: > On 7/27/2024 9:28 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 7/27/2024 1:54 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> If a simulator correctly simulates a finite number of instructions >>>> where x86 program specifies an execution of an infinite number of >>>> instructions then the simulation deviates from x86 semantics at the >>>> point where the simulation stops but the x86 semantics specify >>>> countinuation. >>> In other words you believe that instead of recognizing a >>> non-halting behavior pattern, then aborting the simulation >>> and rejecting the input as non-halting the termination >>> analyzer should just get stuck in recursive simulation? >> You're doing it again. "In other words" is here a lie; you've just >> replaced Mikko's words with something very different. > He just said that the simulation of a non-terminating input > is incorrect unless it is simulated forever. That is closer to his actual words, yes. In particular, Mikko was talking about a simulator, not a termination analyser. He pointed out that aborting a simulation run was incorrect according to the criteria you stipulated earlier. > -- > Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius > hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).