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From: Rich <rich@example.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Emigration from Usenet
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:31:59 -0000 (UTC)
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D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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> On Sat, 27 Jul 2024, Stefan Ram wrote:
> 
>> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>>> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>>>> The experts used to be here. Linux was announced in comp.os.minix.
>> . . .
>>> The ‘expert’ conversations are still happening, just not on Usenet.  You
>>> can find them in mailing lists, blogs, issue trackers, papers, etc.
>>
>>  BTW: I shouldn't be calling Linus Torvalds and the others
>>  I mentioned “experts.” That would be a serious downgrade for
>>  them! These folks are top-tier innovators. But yeah, there
>>  were definitely experts back in the Usenet days, and some
>>  of them are still around in certain Newsgroups.
>>
>>> A core problem with Usenet is that you can’t exclude people whose net
>>> contribution to a discussion is negative.
>>
>>  Or maybe the real issue is the folks who think you can't just block
>>  certain people out? Yeah, Usenet expects everyone to manage their
>>  own filters. If someone’s bugging you, you can totally filter them
>>  out of your feed. And if it drives you nuts to see how others respond
>>  to them, just find a newsreader that lets you filter that too!
>>  Heck, you can filter posts that have a specific word pattern in them!
>>  But it’s not like there’s a central authority doing that for you.
>>
> 
> That's what I thought too, but perhaps he meant that even if you filter 
> out, the person can just register a new account, change their handle, and 
> continue?

You don't need to register a new account to nymshift on USENET anymore.  
When USENET accounts went commercial (or free for all) instead of being 
tied to one's college/business account it became trivial to post as any 
name you like, all from the same account.

But as most users are unaware of how to do so, most users don't 
nymshift, and so killfiles do work.

The problem is that many people don't want to be bothered with managing 
their own personal killfile and would rather that work be offloaded to 
"the moderators" (which is mostly what they get on the centralized 
forums) so they don't have to bother with it.

> That does raise the bar though, since it is a bit of a hassle to 
> register a new account every single time you would like to harass someone.
> 
> As for blocking or killfiling, works great for me.

Because most folks don't nym-shift on a regular basis.