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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Some bicycle paths... Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 09:11:29 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 156 Message-ID: <v85jig$3uupi$4@dont-email.me> References: <v7r6v6$1q2ff$1@dont-email.me> <cn63ajhof05ufg9beuuoksdar1uqqrj66k@4ax.com> <v7s82e$1va65$2@dont-email.me> <etc4ajp3jdeq2c6tmn73v98rq7ftuqddkm@4ax.com> <g1g4aj90e4codctdhummefsm8okc8dkt45@4ax.com> <h0j4aj5g5l4hq49o71uhmh6adagrf348q0@4ax.com> <v0r5ajp1mu2d29csdad8gg2bru7gi0femi@4ax.com> <v7v4oa$2lkdi$5@dont-email.me> <52m6ajhqde6dq5ml6n5c3tat7er7pudbm2@4ax.com> <ihd8ajl9cjkf0uhael6vla27f0u2v057fi@4ax.com> <v81f8b$31pcq$6@dont-email.me> <v82kkv$3bfnc$2@dont-email.me> <ce8bajlqvv9e3npmiotn69gh0ka3utbp26@4ax.com> <v858r4$3t78k$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 16:11:29 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="868da7efbb6e7c529e94a5dfc8f6c813"; logging-data="4160306"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18YSJ0BOZNQ6HdsxCFmI8nu" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:LGOjyHXw5N/LKCQ8URGYKUvs1N0= In-Reply-To: <v858r4$3t78k$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 7489 On 7/28/2024 6:08 AM, zen cycle wrote: > On 7/27/2024 9:46 PM, John B. wrote: >> On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 07:11:26 -0400, zen cycle >> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 7/26/2024 8:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>> On 7/26/2024 8:03 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 04:07:04 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 23:21:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm saying AR-style guns have no practical value in >>>>>>> civilian hands, but >>>>>>> they impose serious societal harm. You agree they >>>>>>> have no practical >>>>>>> value, and you demonstrate that by not owning one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do your actions contradict your arguments? >>>>>> >>>>>> <eyeroll> >>>>>> >>>>>> Does the fact that Krygowski doesn't own a pickup >>>>>> truck mean that they >>>>>> have no practical value? >>>>>> >>>>>> Does the fact that most cyclists do not own a bike >>>>>> generator mean that >>>>>> they have no practical value? >>>>>> >>>>>> Simple logic seems to be beyond Krygowski's intellect. >>>>> >>>>> Poor old Frankie. He thrashes around and comes up with >>>>> what he thinks >>>>> is a logical argument but even a tiny bit of research >>>>> would show him >>>>> that: >>>>> "The AR-15s are one of the most popular hunting rifles >>>>> in America >>>>> nowadays, and there are several effective, accessible >>>>> calibers with >>>>> bustling aftermarket's. These cartridges include 6.5 >>>>> Grendel, . 300 >>>>> Blackout, . 450 Bushmaster, and ." >>>>> >>>>> https://blog.primaryarms.com/guide/ar-15-calibers-for-hunting-deer/ >>>>> https://www.hunter-ed.com/blog/3-ar-15s-3-types-game/ >>>>> https://time.com/4390506/gun-control-ar-15-semiautomatic-rifles/ >>>>> https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/firearm-hunting/should-your-next-deer-rifle-be-an-ar-15 >>>>> I could have gone on, there are at least 10 more >>>>> pages, but why >>>>> bother as the first page is sufficient to show Frankie >>>>> for the fool >>>>> that he is. >>>> >>>> Did you really read those? The theme is "Ooh, ARs are >>>> popular. And you >>>> _can_ use them for some hunting. Like wild boars, or >>>> Hawaiian goats." >>>> But about half the copy was about the downsides and how >>>> to mitigate them. >>>> >>>> "with hunting smaller animals with an AR-15 is that you >>>> must have a >>>> superior aim, and if you plan on eating your small game, >>>> the AR is not >>>> ideal for the takedown.... ARs for these animals are >>>> typically heavier >>>> than those built for small game, so you may need to >>>> experiment with >>>> different stocks for comfort... The standard .223/5.56 >>>> rounds are not >>>> ideal for large animals... some states don't allow deer >>>> hunting with >>>> .223 diameter bullets or an AR-15 rifle...the semi-auto >>>> action is more >>>> likely to malfunction than simpler action designs...A >>>> jammed AR-15 may >>>> require more steps to get it back in the game...the >>>> possibility that the >>>> detachable magazine could fall out during a hunt..." >>>> >>>> Overall, it's about the changes needed to make a silk >>>> purse out of a >>>> sow's ear. And still, I saw no mention of the great >>>> advantage of being >>>> able to empty a 30 round magazine in less than a minute >>>> while hunting. >>>> >>>> I guess that's because it's real value is hunting kids >>>> in a schoolroom, >>>> right? >>>> >>>> >>> yup, a few dead kids every six months is a small price to >>> pay >> >> Well in 2019 you accepted some 612 child auto deaths,age 0 >> - 12 >> inclusive, that is 306 ,every 6 months, without saying a >> word :-) >> https://seriousaccidents.com/blog/children-traffic-fatalities-by-year/ >> > > Well...that's a lie. I believe I responded that it's stupid > and desperate to compare auto deaths to gun deaths because > cars aren't designed to kill people, dumbass. > > And there is continuing legislation every year, getting more > and more restrictive, regarding placement of children in > approved car seats. > > Did you actually read that article? I don't think so. Look > at the chart, It's a steady downward trend since 1975. Why? > Things like increasing restrictive car seat legislation. > > Would you accept such increasingly restrictive gun > legislation to protect children? no, you wouldn't. > > people like you, the kunich, the dumbass, and Andrew would > argue that legislation to protect children is overreaching > and prevents innovation (restrictive gun laws prevent > innovation...lol). > > So, it's stupid and desperate to compare automobile deaths > with gun deaths, because cars aren't designed to kill > people. Print that out and post it somewhere prominently > visible from your keyboard the next time you want to compare > something like deaths from eating Chipotle to gun deaths. > > yeah, yeah, I know, you'll pull out the old 'negligent > vehicle design' of things like the corvair "but but but look > at how many people died from negligent car > design!!!"...Before you do that, as you did with child auto > deaths, look at what's been done to prevent it. > > your argument that the solution is less gun legislation > makes as much sense as saying cars would be safer with less > restrictive DOT legislation. 'Corvair deficiencies' is a false trope and the Corvair remains one of only two vehicles certified as safe by NHTSA after extensive investigation. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/20/federal-study-refutes-naders-corvair-charges-july-20-1972-240609 Every feature breathlessly condemned by Mr Nader had been changed for the 1965 model year, on the road in September 1964. Mr Nader first published in January, 1965. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971