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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Some bicycle paths... Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 11:48:39 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 126 Message-ID: <v85p8n$3t78k$6@dont-email.me> References: <v7r6v6$1q2ff$1@dont-email.me> <cn63ajhof05ufg9beuuoksdar1uqqrj66k@4ax.com> <v7s82e$1va65$2@dont-email.me> <etc4ajp3jdeq2c6tmn73v98rq7ftuqddkm@4ax.com> <g1g4aj90e4codctdhummefsm8okc8dkt45@4ax.com> <h0j4aj5g5l4hq49o71uhmh6adagrf348q0@4ax.com> <v0r5ajp1mu2d29csdad8gg2bru7gi0femi@4ax.com> <v7v4oa$2lkdi$5@dont-email.me> <52m6ajhqde6dq5ml6n5c3tat7er7pudbm2@4ax.com> <ihd8ajl9cjkf0uhael6vla27f0u2v057fi@4ax.com> <v81f8b$31pcq$6@dont-email.me> <v82kkv$3bfnc$2@dont-email.me> <ce8bajlqvv9e3npmiotn69gh0ka3utbp26@4ax.com> <v858r4$3t78k$2@dont-email.me> <v85jig$3uupi$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 17:48:40 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b6ea8f52d90b2052d8185556294998de"; logging-data="4103444"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/V/r//NJzRrFyBmGuYZ9iPNdKJexbgIXY=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:zFaPEyJF8nphkaYA8z1wK893mo4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v85jig$3uupi$4@dont-email.me> Bytes: 7465 On 7/28/2024 10:11 AM, AMuzi wrote: > On 7/28/2024 6:08 AM, zen cycle wrote: >> On 7/27/2024 9:46 PM, John B. wrote: >>> On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 07:11:26 -0400, zen cycle >>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/26/2024 8:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>> On 7/26/2024 8:03 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 04:07:04 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 23:21:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm saying AR-style guns have no practical value in civilian >>>>>>>> hands, but >>>>>>>> they impose serious societal harm. You agree they have no practical >>>>>>>> value, and you demonstrate that by not owning one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why do your actions contradict your arguments? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <eyeroll> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does the fact that Krygowski doesn't own a pickup truck mean that >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> have no practical value? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does the fact that most cyclists do not own a bike generator mean >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> they have no practical value? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Simple logic seems to be beyond Krygowski's intellect. >>>>>> >>>>>> Poor old Frankie. He thrashes around and comes up with what he thinks >>>>>> is a logical argument but even a tiny bit of research would show him >>>>>> that: >>>>>> "The AR-15s are one of the most popular hunting rifles in America >>>>>> nowadays, and there are several effective, accessible calibers with >>>>>> bustling aftermarket's. These cartridges include 6.5 Grendel, . 300 >>>>>> Blackout, . 450 Bushmaster, and ." >>>>>> >>>>>> https://blog.primaryarms.com/guide/ar-15-calibers-for-hunting-deer/ >>>>>> https://www.hunter-ed.com/blog/3-ar-15s-3-types-game/ >>>>>> https://time.com/4390506/gun-control-ar-15-semiautomatic-rifles/ >>>>>> https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/firearm-hunting/should-your-next-deer-rifle-be-an-ar-15 >>>>>> I could have gone on, there are at least 10 more pages, but why >>>>>> bother as the first page is sufficient to show Frankie for the fool >>>>>> that he is. >>>>> >>>>> Did you really read those? The theme is "Ooh, ARs are popular. And you >>>>> _can_ use them for some hunting. Like wild boars, or Hawaiian goats." >>>>> But about half the copy was about the downsides and how to mitigate >>>>> them. >>>>> >>>>> "with hunting smaller animals with an AR-15 is that you must have a >>>>> superior aim, and if you plan on eating your small game, the AR is not >>>>> ideal for the takedown.... ARs for these animals are typically heavier >>>>> than those built for small game, so you may need to experiment with >>>>> different stocks for comfort... The standard .223/5.56 rounds are not >>>>> ideal for large animals... some states don't allow deer hunting with >>>>> .223 diameter bullets or an AR-15 rifle...the semi-auto action is more >>>>> likely to malfunction than simpler action designs...A jammed AR-15 may >>>>> require more steps to get it back in the game...the possibility >>>>> that the >>>>> detachable magazine could fall out during a hunt..." >>>>> >>>>> Overall, it's about the changes needed to make a silk purse out of a >>>>> sow's ear. And still, I saw no mention of the great advantage of being >>>>> able to empty a 30 round magazine in less than a minute while hunting. >>>>> >>>>> I guess that's because it's real value is hunting kids in a >>>>> schoolroom, >>>>> right? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> yup, a few dead kids every six months is a small price to pay >>> >>> Well in 2019 you accepted some 612 child auto deaths,age 0 - 12 >>> inclusive, that is 306 ,every 6 months, without saying a word :-) >>> https://seriousaccidents.com/blog/children-traffic-fatalities-by-year/ >>> >> >> Well...that's a lie. I believe I responded that it's stupid and >> desperate to compare auto deaths to gun deaths because cars aren't >> designed to kill people, dumbass. >> >> And there is continuing legislation every year, getting more and more >> restrictive, regarding placement of children in approved car seats. >> >> Did you actually read that article? I don't think so. Look at the >> chart, It's a steady downward trend since 1975. Why? Things like >> increasing restrictive car seat legislation. >> >> Would you accept such increasingly restrictive gun legislation to >> protect children? no, you wouldn't. >> >> people like you, the kunich, the dumbass, and Andrew would argue that >> legislation to protect children is overreaching and prevents >> innovation (restrictive gun laws prevent innovation...lol). >> >> So, it's stupid and desperate to compare automobile deaths with gun >> deaths, because cars aren't designed to kill people. Print that out >> and post it somewhere prominently visible from your keyboard the next >> time you want to compare something like deaths from eating Chipotle to >> gun deaths. >> >> yeah, yeah, I know, you'll pull out the old 'negligent vehicle design' >> of things like the corvair "but but but look at how many people died >> from negligent car design!!!"...Before you do that, as you did with >> child auto deaths, look at what's been done to prevent it. >> >> your argument that the solution is less gun legislation makes as much >> sense as saying cars would be safer with less restrictive DOT >> legislation. > > > 'Corvair deficiencies' is a false trope and the Corvair remains one of > only two vehicles certified as safe by NHTSA after extensive investigation. > > https://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/20/federal-study-refutes-naders-corvair-charges-july-20-1972-240609 > > Every feature breathlessly condemned by Mr Nader had been changed for > the 1965 model year, on the road in September 1964. Mr Nader first > published in January, 1965. Which isn't really relevant