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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Some bicycle paths... Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 11:16:03 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 165 Message-ID: <v85qs3$ioo$2@dont-email.me> References: <v7r6v6$1q2ff$1@dont-email.me> <cn63ajhof05ufg9beuuoksdar1uqqrj66k@4ax.com> <v7s82e$1va65$2@dont-email.me> <etc4ajp3jdeq2c6tmn73v98rq7ftuqddkm@4ax.com> <g1g4aj90e4codctdhummefsm8okc8dkt45@4ax.com> <h0j4aj5g5l4hq49o71uhmh6adagrf348q0@4ax.com> <v0r5ajp1mu2d29csdad8gg2bru7gi0femi@4ax.com> <v7v4oa$2lkdi$5@dont-email.me> <52m6ajhqde6dq5ml6n5c3tat7er7pudbm2@4ax.com> <ihd8ajl9cjkf0uhael6vla27f0u2v057fi@4ax.com> <v81f8b$31pcq$6@dont-email.me> <v82kkv$3bfnc$2@dont-email.me> <ce8bajlqvv9e3npmiotn69gh0ka3utbp26@4ax.com> <v858r4$3t78k$2@dont-email.me> <v85jig$3uupi$4@dont-email.me> <v85p8n$3t78k$6@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 18:16:03 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="868da7efbb6e7c529e94a5dfc8f6c813"; logging-data="19224"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Uyonh3yck/KrNCz5BMKj0" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:M5JIQEKcNXZML5gXeiZqTAQyVdg= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v85p8n$3t78k$6@dont-email.me> Bytes: 8094 On 7/28/2024 10:48 AM, zen cycle wrote: > On 7/28/2024 10:11 AM, AMuzi wrote: >> On 7/28/2024 6:08 AM, zen cycle wrote: >>> On 7/27/2024 9:46 PM, John B. wrote: >>>> On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 07:11:26 -0400, zen cycle >>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 7/26/2024 8:33 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>> On 7/26/2024 8:03 PM, John B. wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 04:07:04 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 23:21:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm saying AR-style guns have no practical value in >>>>>>>>> civilian hands, but >>>>>>>>> they impose serious societal harm. You agree they >>>>>>>>> have no practical >>>>>>>>> value, and you demonstrate that by not owning one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why do your actions contradict your arguments? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <eyeroll> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does the fact that Krygowski doesn't own a pickup >>>>>>>> truck mean that they >>>>>>>> have no practical value? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does the fact that most cyclists do not own a bike >>>>>>>> generator mean that >>>>>>>> they have no practical value? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Simple logic seems to be beyond Krygowski's intellect. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Poor old Frankie. He thrashes around and comes up >>>>>>> with what he thinks >>>>>>> is a logical argument but even a tiny bit of research >>>>>>> would show him >>>>>>> that: >>>>>>> "The AR-15s are one of the most popular hunting >>>>>>> rifles in America >>>>>>> nowadays, and there are several effective, accessible >>>>>>> calibers with >>>>>>> bustling aftermarket's. These cartridges include 6.5 >>>>>>> Grendel, . 300 >>>>>>> Blackout, . 450 Bushmaster, and ." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://blog.primaryarms.com/guide/ar-15-calibers-for-hunting-deer/ >>>>>>> https://www.hunter-ed.com/blog/3-ar-15s-3-types-game/ >>>>>>> https://time.com/4390506/gun-control-ar-15-semiautomatic-rifles/ >>>>>>> https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/firearm-hunting/should-your-next-deer-rifle-be-an-ar-15 >>>>>>> I could have gone on, there are at least 10 more >>>>>>> pages, but why >>>>>>> bother as the first page is sufficient to show >>>>>>> Frankie for the fool >>>>>>> that he is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Did you really read those? The theme is "Ooh, ARs are >>>>>> popular. And you >>>>>> _can_ use them for some hunting. Like wild boars, or >>>>>> Hawaiian goats." >>>>>> But about half the copy was about the downsides and >>>>>> how to mitigate them. >>>>>> >>>>>> "with hunting smaller animals with an AR-15 is that >>>>>> you must have a >>>>>> superior aim, and if you plan on eating your small >>>>>> game, the AR is not >>>>>> ideal for the takedown.... ARs for these animals are >>>>>> typically heavier >>>>>> than those built for small game, so you may need to >>>>>> experiment with >>>>>> different stocks for comfort... The standard .223/5.56 >>>>>> rounds are not >>>>>> ideal for large animals... some states don't allow >>>>>> deer hunting with >>>>>> .223 diameter bullets or an AR-15 rifle...the >>>>>> semi-auto action is more >>>>>> likely to malfunction than simpler action designs...A >>>>>> jammed AR-15 may >>>>>> require more steps to get it back in the game...the >>>>>> possibility that the >>>>>> detachable magazine could fall out during a hunt..." >>>>>> >>>>>> Overall, it's about the changes needed to make a silk >>>>>> purse out of a >>>>>> sow's ear. And still, I saw no mention of the great >>>>>> advantage of being >>>>>> able to empty a 30 round magazine in less than a >>>>>> minute while hunting. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess that's because it's real value is hunting kids >>>>>> in a schoolroom, >>>>>> right? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> yup, a few dead kids every six months is a small price >>>>> to pay >>>> >>>> Well in 2019 you accepted some 612 child auto deaths,age >>>> 0 - 12 >>>> inclusive, that is 306 ,every 6 months, without saying a >>>> word :-) >>>> https://seriousaccidents.com/blog/children-traffic-fatalities-by-year/ >>>> >>> >>> Well...that's a lie. I believe I responded that it's >>> stupid and desperate to compare auto deaths to gun deaths >>> because cars aren't designed to kill people, dumbass. >>> >>> And there is continuing legislation every year, getting >>> more and more restrictive, regarding placement of >>> children in approved car seats. >>> >>> Did you actually read that article? I don't think so. >>> Look at the chart, It's a steady downward trend since >>> 1975. Why? Things like increasing restrictive car seat >>> legislation. >>> >>> Would you accept such increasingly restrictive gun >>> legislation to protect children? no, you wouldn't. >>> >>> people like you, the kunich, the dumbass, and Andrew >>> would argue that legislation to protect children is >>> overreaching and prevents innovation (restrictive gun >>> laws prevent innovation...lol). >>> >>> So, it's stupid and desperate to compare automobile >>> deaths with gun deaths, because cars aren't designed to >>> kill people. Print that out and post it somewhere >>> prominently visible from your keyboard the next time you >>> want to compare something like deaths from eating >>> Chipotle to gun deaths. >>> >>> yeah, yeah, I know, you'll pull out the old 'negligent >>> vehicle design' of things like the corvair "but but but >>> look at how many people died from negligent car >>> design!!!"...Before you do that, as you did with child >>> auto deaths, look at what's been done to prevent it. >>> >>> your argument that the solution is less gun legislation >>> makes as much sense as saying cars would be safer with >>> less restrictive DOT legislation. >> >> >> 'Corvair deficiencies' is a false trope and the Corvair >> remains one of only two vehicles certified as safe by >> NHTSA after extensive investigation. >> >> https://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/20/federal-study-refutes-naders-corvair-charges-july-20-1972-240609 >> >> Every feature breathlessly condemned by Mr Nader had been >> changed for the 1965 model year, on the road in September >> 1964. Mr Nader first published in January, 1965. > > Which isn't really relevant Only to Corvair aficionados. No one else notices or cares about that sort of comment. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971