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From: Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: OT: Hunter Biden Laptop
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 09:16:01 -0400
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On 7/16/2024 12:23 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-07-16 06:04, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 7/15/2024 1:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-15 10:33, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 7/10/2024 1:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-07-10 07:38, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/5/2024 3:53 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-07-05 11:34, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2024 2:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-01 09:42, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2024 6:00 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-06-28 14:48, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> IIRC Liarboy Baker over in a different group some time back 
>>>>>>>>>>>> disputed the authenticity of said laptop. That based on 
>>>>>>>>>>>> conjecture and his political bias.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Really? What did I actually say, Liarboy?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, the FBI has examined the laptop and it has been 
>>>>>>>>>>>> admitted into evidence in H. Biden's tax evasion case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, typical Baker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, in my personal opinion why can't we find better 
>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates for the U.S. presidency? Is this REALLY the best 
>>>>>>>>>>>> we can do???? Sad.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But you'll vote for the convicted felon who tried to overturn 
>>>>>>>>>>> the results of the 2020 election...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...and took hundreds upon hundreds of classified documents 
>>>>>>>>>>> with him...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...lied about having them...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...moved them around to support his lie...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...and tried to erase the video evidence of this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Won't you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All of that is based on what I said a long time ago. Your 
>>>>>>>>>> comments are based on events since then. Of course Biden also 
>>>>>>>>>> took hundreds of such documents too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it the same?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did he do so deliberately?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did he refuse to return them?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Was a search warrant necessary to get Biden to return them...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...or did he open his doors and let people check for them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To quote the report on Biden's document discovery:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "In a 388-page report, the special counsel also dwelled on 
>>>>>>>> Biden’s lapses in memory, writing that "Mr. Biden would likely 
>>>>>>>> present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of 
>>>>>>>> him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor 
>>>>>>>> memory."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are correct, their behavior was different. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We will see how the Trump trial turns out. He may also be found 
>>>>>>>> not guilty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why didn't you answer a single one of my questions, Liarboy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Were you too afraid?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did Biden deliberately take those documents?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did he refuse to return any of them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was a search warrant made necessary by Biden's actions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a little pussy you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden kept the papers. If it was not intentional that's more 
>>>>>> senility evidence. Had he asked for a search warrant it would have 
>>>>>> looked even worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you answer my questions?
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>> And people don't "ask for search warrants", Liarboy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Search warrants are obtained when there is evidence of wrong doing 
>>>>> AND the person or persons suspected refuse to allow a search.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong again Liarboy. If law enforcement shows up and wants to search 
>>>> my home I can ASK for a search warrant. There is no end to your lies 
>>>> and ignorance is there?
>>>
>>> You ASK to SEE a search warrant or you can REFUSE the search.
>>
>> We are talking about the same thing from different viewpoints. We both 
>> understand the process. My point was that Biden could have asked to 
>> see the search warrant, which searchers likely already had and could 
>> have executed the search anyway. "Just inviting them in" has little 
>> effect or meaning on the outcome. I'm sure he deliberately kept them, 
>> he even knew where they were.
> 
> No. Biden could NOT have asked to see the search warrant...
> 
> ....because they only require a warrant if the subject of the search 
> refuses it.
> 
> Biden didn't refuse it.

Not true. Law enforcement can obtain a search warrant before a search if 
a judge can be convinced that there is probable cause.