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From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
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Subject: Re: OT: Hunter Biden Laptop
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:09:19 -0700
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On 2024-07-29 06:16, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 7/16/2024 12:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-07-16 06:04, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 7/15/2024 1:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-15 10:33, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> On 7/10/2024 1:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-10 07:38, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/5/2024 3:53 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-05 11:34, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2024 2:24 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-01 09:42, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2024 6:00 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-06-28 14:48, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IIRC Liarboy Baker over in a different group some time back 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disputed the authenticity of said laptop. That based on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conjecture and his political bias.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? What did I actually say, Liarboy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, the FBI has examined the laptop and it has been 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> admitted into evidence in H. Biden's tax evasion case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, typical Baker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, in my personal opinion why can't we find better 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates for the U.S. presidency? Is this REALLY the best 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we can do???? Sad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But you'll vote for the convicted felon who tried to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> overturn the results of the 2020 election...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and took hundreds upon hundreds of classified documents 
>>>>>>>>>>>> with him...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...lied about having them...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...moved them around to support his lie...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and tried to erase the video evidence of this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Won't you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All of that is based on what I said a long time ago. Your 
>>>>>>>>>>> comments are based on events since then. Of course Biden also 
>>>>>>>>>>> took hundreds of such documents too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is it the same?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did he do so deliberately?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did he refuse to return them?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Was a search warrant necessary to get Biden to return them...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...or did he open his doors and let people check for them?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To quote the report on Biden's document discovery:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "In a 388-page report, the special counsel also dwelled on 
>>>>>>>>> Biden’s lapses in memory, writing that "Mr. Biden would likely 
>>>>>>>>> present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of 
>>>>>>>>> him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor 
>>>>>>>>> memory."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are correct, their behavior was different. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We will see how the Trump trial turns out. He may also be found 
>>>>>>>>> not guilty.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why didn't you answer a single one of my questions, Liarboy?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Were you too afraid?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did Biden deliberately take those documents?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did he refuse to return any of them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was a search warrant made necessary by Biden's actions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a little pussy you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Biden kept the papers. If it was not intentional that's more 
>>>>>>> senility evidence. Had he asked for a search warrant it would 
>>>>>>> have looked even worse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you answer my questions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And people don't "ask for search warrants", Liarboy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Search warrants are obtained when there is evidence of wrong doing 
>>>>>> AND the person or persons suspected refuse to allow a search.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong again Liarboy. If law enforcement shows up and wants to 
>>>>> search my home I can ASK for a search warrant. There is no end to 
>>>>> your lies and ignorance is there?
>>>>
>>>> You ASK to SEE a search warrant or you can REFUSE the search.
>>>
>>> We are talking about the same thing from different viewpoints. We 
>>> both understand the process. My point was that Biden could have asked 
>>> to see the search warrant, which searchers likely already had and 
>>> could have executed the search anyway. "Just inviting them in" has 
>>> little effect or meaning on the outcome. I'm sure he deliberately 
>>> kept them, he even knew where they were.
>>
>> No. Biden could NOT have asked to see the search warrant...
>>
>> ....because they only require a warrant if the subject of the search 
>> refuses it.
>>
>> Biden didn't refuse it.
> 
> Not true. Law enforcement can obtain a search warrant before a search if 
> a judge can be convinced that there is probable cause.
> 

You are completely and utterly...

....and I suspect deliberately missing the point...

....they did not NEED a search warrant because Biden VOLUNTARILY let them 
search.