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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.logic,sci.math Subject: Re: Replacement of Cardinality Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 19:16:02 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: <v88ioi$ie2p$1@dont-email.me> References: <hsRF8g6ZiIZRPFaWbZaL2jR1IiU@jntp> <881fc1a1-2e55-4f13-8beb-94d1f941b5af@att.net> <vg44QVKbPSR4U0Tq71L-fg5yqgM@jntp> <85194aeb-1b24-4486-8bcc-4dcd43b4fd2f@att.net> Reply-To: invalid@example.invalid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 19:16:02 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="32d4a09bb141609945a425d89ff0ee6e"; logging-data="604249"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Z5/ATttY56m8Fq8dPDqQp" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:osw82bIXbVOwrCqpwEuDeMOFojY= Content-Language: de-DE In-Reply-To: <85194aeb-1b24-4486-8bcc-4dcd43b4fd2f@att.net> Bytes: 1787 Am 28.07.2024 um 20:17 schrieb Jim Burns: > On 7/28/2024 8:17 AM, WM wrote: >> ω-1 ∈ ℕ Holy shit! What does "ω-1" even mean? A "reasonable" interpretation might be: ω-1 is the natural number k such that k+1 = ω. The only problem with this interpretation is that there is no natural number k such that k+1 = ω. So (in a mathematical context) we can't define: ω-1 =df the natural number k such that k+1 = ω. > 'Defining into existence' that which doesn't exist > makes nonsense of whatever meaning one's words have. Right. >> ℕ = {1, 2, 3, ..., ω-1} *sigh*