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From: Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid>
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Subject: Re: PTD was the most-respected of the AUE regulars ...
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 19:37:32 +0100
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Le 29/07/2024 à 17:21, Rich Ulrich a écrit :
> Hibou wrote:
>>
>> In Usenet forums, I don't think deliberate lying is much of a problem,
>> but people are often mistaken. It's hard to admit that one is in error;
>> it throws doubt on one's ability. Also, our beliefs are part of who we
>> are; to let one go is to lose part of oneself.
> 
> You are still missing the idea that autistics often 'relate
> differently' to the idea of truth vs. falsehood; 'innocent mistake' is
> not in their working vocabulary.

Is it not?

Perhaps there has been some drift in this discussion. I think its 
starting point was your message 
<news:fk8aajpcod5eeq8okojbonqtslbnujm92m@4ax.com> (Sat. 27th at 12:52:19 
-0400) in which you described a character who refused to admit error and 
called contradictors stupid and liars. You went on to infer that he 
therefore had autism.

I think this inference is shaky.

I've been called stupid countless times, especially in Usenet fora, and 
met many who have clung to demonstrably false beliefs (dear old 
fr.soc.religion in its heyday!) - too many, I think, to infer that they 
were all suffering from some syndrome or other. It's just human nature, 
innit?

Citation du jour : « Passer pour un idiot aux yeux d'un imbécile est un 
délice de fin gourmet » - Simenon (ou Courteline, peut-être, formulée 
autrement ; les sources se contredisent).

> I don't know how much of their problem is created or influenced
> by the aftermath of their own social ineptness -- a feature
> have not been discussing. The Usenet autism group once posted
> a note by a woman who said that her child's kindergarten teacher
> praised the daughter for her 'maturity' since she never joined in
> when kids were bullying or hassling. The teacher did not
> recognize that the daughter was not mature, she simply did not
> UNDERSTAND why the  bullying was taking place; she did not
> join in automatically, because she did not fit in.
> 
> Aspies are not insulted by the same things neurotypicals
> consider insulting, so they make social mistakes. They get called
> Stupid or Liar when they claim they did not UNDERSTAND that
> someone would (or would not) be offended by something.
> " - Okay, you insulted my shirt.  My mama picked it out, not me.
> Why should I be offended?"  Or the Aspie might insult a shirt,
> while imagining they were offering a trivial observation. [...]

Goodness me! I am learning a lot. (I have Asperger's myself.)