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Path: ...!npeer.as286.net!npeer-ng0.as286.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: HHH(Infinite_Recursion) and HHH(DDD) derive same non-halting execution trace Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 10:04:52 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 24 Message-ID: <v8a3ak$u91h$1@dont-email.me> References: <v80h07$2su8m$3@dont-email.me> <0amdndFJSZSzYD77nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v8102f$2vo8u$1@dont-email.me> <v83fhe$3gihn$1@dont-email.me> <v83hmk$3gvj7$1@dont-email.me> <v8515o$3s6u4$1@dont-email.me> <v88gqr$i7kl$6@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:04:52 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="329af3d797696bf444d9a1dc8986292a"; logging-data="992305"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+08PwuhmFu8E5obwkt1PUM" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:4CWtGdcLl/EcpKsuIJgkxN3uPPM= Bytes: 1963 On 2024-07-29 16:43:07 +0000, olcott said: > On 7/28/2024 3:57 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-07-27 19:27:16 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>> It is a verified fact that HHH get the correct halt >>> status decision in that HHH exactly matched that same >>> behavior pattern as this: >> >> No, it is not a verified fact. It is obvious from the code of DDD >> that DDD halts if HHH does, and otherwise HHH does not answer. >> Therefore, if HHH answers, the correct answer is "halts". >> > > HHH(Infinite_Recursion) and HHH(DDD) derive equivalent > non-halting behavior patterns in the execution trace of > their input. Doesn't matter but suggests that the tracing system is defective. What really matters it that DDD halts or HHH is not a decider. -- Mikko