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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Any honest person that knows the x86 language can see... predict correctly Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 10:14:30 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 49 Message-ID: <v8b00m$12ojm$1@dont-email.me> References: <v887np$gl15$1@dont-email.me> <v8a2j5$u4t6$1@dont-email.me> <v8asse$12hr3$2@dont-email.me> <v8aukp$12grj$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 17:14:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f90a0d55b5a8d8d362f50b9fb3171851"; logging-data="1139318"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18kU5DnI3idm9OMKdQIuFWF" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:euzV+MTmW7cCbhzTBDkOmN4qIhs= In-Reply-To: <v8aukp$12grj$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3570 On 7/30/2024 9:51 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 30.jul.2024 om 16:21 schreef olcott: >> On 7/30/2024 1:52 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-07-29 14:07:53 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> HHH(Infinite_Recursion) and HHH(DDD) show the same non-halting >>>> behavior pattern in their derived execution traces of their >>>> inputs. >>> >>> Hard to believe as their behaviour is so different and you don't >>> say what pattern the see. >> >> *Its all in the part that you erased* >> >> *Infinite_Recursion correctly emulated by HHH* >> *THREE lines repeat with no conditional branch instructions* >> Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation Execution Trace Stored at:113934 >> [0000215a][00113924][00113928] 55 push ebp ; 1st line >> [0000215b][00113924][00113928] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; 2nd line >> [0000215d][00113920][00002162] e8f8ffffff call 0000215a ; 3rd line >> [0000215a][0011391c][00113924] 55 push ebp ; 1st line >> [0000215b][0011391c][00113924] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; 2nd line >> [0000215d][00113918][00002162] e8f8ffffff call 0000215a ; 3rd line >> Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped >> >> *DDD correctly emulated by HHH* >> *FOUR lines repeat with no conditional branch instructions* >> Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation Execution Trace Stored at:113895 >> [00002177][00113885][00113889] 55 push ebp ; 1st line >> [00002178][00113885][00113889] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; 2nd line >> [0000217a][00113881][00002177] 6877210000 push 00002177 ; push DDD >> [0000217f][0011387d][00002184] e853f4ffff call 000015d7 ; call HHH >> [00002177][0015e2ad][0015e2b1] 55 push ebp ; 1st line >> [00002178][0015e2ad][0015e2b1] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; 2nd line >> [0000217a][0015e2a9][00002177] 6877210000 push 00002177 ; push DDD >> [0000217f][0015e2a5][00002184] e853f4ffff call 000015d7 ; call HHH >> Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped >> >> > > We all see the differences between these two. They both correctly predict behavior that must be aborted to prevent the infinite execution of the simulating halt decider. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer