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Subject: Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 16:04:03 -0000 (UTC)
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In article <v8amtv$11aec$2@dont-email.me>,
Simon Clubley  <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote:
>On 2024-07-29, Craig A. Berry <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 7/29/24 7:19 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-26, Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps if you hadn't phrased it in terms of her acting, "like a
>>>> giggling teenage schoolgirl" others wouldn't have found it an
>>>> expression of misogyny.  After all, you were the one who phrased
>>>> it in terms of her being a woman.
>>> 
>>> No, I phrased in terms of her personality. I later said I would apply
>>> the exact same language to a man if he behaved in the same way.
>>
>> That really strains credibility.
>
>Not from where I come from. BTW, I was born and raised in a small
>Yorkshire town.

Sorry, it's just factually true that you brought up the
"giggling teenage schoolgirl" trope.  Perhaps you didn't intend
that as a misogynist remark; I'll grant you the benefit of the
doubt there.  But if you really can't see how it would be
interpreted that way, particularly given the volume of clearly
sexist attacks the American right wing is lobbing against her,
and as you continue to double down on it, then yes...it does
strain credibility.

>>> What I want to see in a leader is someone who has the gravitas and
>>> mindset/strength to deal with a critical world crisis such as a Taiwan
>>> invasion, a pandemic with a higher death rate than the last one, or
>>> another financial collapse. I also want to see them being able to
>>> prepare for this in advance.
>>> 
>>> Ms Harris does not have the skills or character needed for this ...
>>
>> Like pretty much any candidate, she has a number of strengths and a
>> number of weaknesses.  You have yet to mention a single one of either
>> and have provided no basis for any of your claims.
>>
>> You made the dubious claim that she is to the left of Bernie Sanders,
>> which is not only false but also not really possible in U.S. politics.
>
>https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4793371-kamala-harris-sanders-biden-liberal/
>
>You can ignore the blatant infantile language in the following obviously
>right-wing article (which I also did) and focus on the facts it raises:
>
>https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/28/kamala-harris-had-more-leftist-voting-record-in-se/
>
>(I like to read articles from all sides of the political spectrum, not
>just the side I agree with. Sometimes you find out things that the side
>which you normally agree with "forgets" to mention.)

I'm not going to get into this right now for lack of time.

>> Then you simply repeated the smear about her laughter that is not new
>> but has been revived and circulated again lately by the Trump campaign
>> and some of his supporters in the right-wing media.  I would consider
>> her laugh about as relevant as Trump's orange hair, but since you
>> brought it up, a lot of people actually like Harris's laugh; they feel
>> it lends warmth, approachability, and humanity to someone with a
>> reputation as a cold, ruthless prosecutor. And it is not a girlish
>> giggle but more of a throaty cackle, so you're wrong on the facts, too.
>
>It's about the lack of a serious trustworthy personality. The laugh
>is about her bursting into nervous giggles at the most inappropriate
>of times instead of giving a serious and well thought-out response.

Really?  She was a prosecutor for most of her career, and was
elected to be the attorney general of the state of California,
the most populous state in the United States, with a population
slightly larger than that of Canada.  That's not done by a
person who is given to characteristically "busting into nervous
giggles at the most inappropriate of times".

There's plenty of evidence of this.  When serving as a US
Senator, she has visibily frightened members of the previous
administration; look for clips of her grilling Bill Barr before
the Senate, for example, as he stumbles over his words.  Perhaps
that happens because they know not to fuck with her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktdi_L0rYkk

Gravitas, indeed.

>I like my politicans to be serious people who have the gravitas to
>run a country.

Indeed.  Shall we go into the personalities of those in charge
of your own country for the last however-many years?  Despite
all of the gravitas of their Posh public school upbringing and
Ox-bridge education, they seem to have run the UK into the
ground.  Perhaps the man on the bicycle can repair things a bit,
even though he appears to have the personality of dry white
toast.

>BTW, just in case it is not obvious by now, I am _not_ a fan of Mr Trump.
>
>Simon.
>
>-- 
>Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
>Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.