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>We'd certainly rather see that than the black scum contaminating 
>everything in Paris.
>

When Trump bans blacks and other non-whites from the US Olympic team, we'll 
really be champions then!   We'll be just like Germany in 1936 except we'll 
have a few more token Jews than Hitler had.   Since Russia is whiter than 
the USA many of us are going to move there.   We're just waiting for those 
jobs in the army to be ready.



Don't take a dna test to see if you have any black dna because it's a hoax 
by the deep state to make you look like you have black dna.


How white supremacists respond when their DNA says they’re not ‘white’
 

Whether you’re a white supremacist, a white nationalist or a member of the 
“alt-right,” much of your ideology centers around a simple principle: 
“being white.” The creation of a white ethnostate, populated and controlled 
by “pure” descendants of white Europeans, ranks high on your priority list.

Yet, when confronted with genetic evidence suggesting someone isn’t “pure 
blood,” as white supremacists put it, they do not cast the person out of 
online communities. They bargain.

A new study from UCLA found when genetic ancestry tests like 23andMe spot 
mixed ancestry among white supremacists, most respond in three ways to 
discount the results and keep members with “impure” genealogy in their 
clan. Their reactions range from challenging the basic math behind the 
tests to accusing Jewish conspirators of sabotage.
Some argued their family history was all the proof they needed. Or they 
looked in the mirror and clung to the notion that race and ethnicity are 
directly visible, which is false.

But the real takeaway centers on a new, nuanced pattern within white 
supremacist groups to redefine and solidify their ranks through genetic 
ancestry testing, said Aaron Panofsky, a UCLA sociologist who co-led the 
study presented Monday at the American Sociological Association’s 112th 
annual meeting in Montreal.

“Once they start to see that a lot of members of their community are not 
going to fit the ‘all-white’ criteria, they start to say, “Well, do we have 
to think about what percentage [of white European genealogy] could define 
membership?” said Aaron Panofsky, a UCLA sociologist who co-led the study 
presented Monday at the American Sociological Association’s 112th annual 
meeting in Montreal.

And this co-opting of science raises an important reminder: The best way to 
counter white supremacists may not be to fight their alternative facts with 
logical ones, according to people who rehabilitate far-right extremists.
How genetics warps the rules of white nationalism

To catalog white supremacists’ reactions to genetic ancestry results, this 
study logged onto the website Stormfront. Launched in 1995, Stormfront was 
an original forum of white supremacy views on the internet. The website 
resembles a Reddit-style social network, filled with chat forums and users 
posting under anonymous nicknames. By housing “nearly one million archived 
threads and over twelve million posts by 325,000 or more members,” 
Stormfront serves as a living history of the white nationalist movement.

Over the course of two years, Panofsky and fellow UCLA sociologist Joan 
Donovan combed through this online community and found 153 posts where 
users volunteered the results of genetic ancestry tests. They then read 
through the subsequent discussion threads — 2,341 posts wherein the 
community faced their collective identities.

No surprise, but white supremacists celebrate the test results that suggest 
full European ancestry. One example:

    67% British isles
    18% Balkan
    15% Scandinavian…
    100% white! HURRAY!

On the flip side, Panofsky and Donovan found that “bad news” was rarely met 
with expulsion from the group.

“So sometimes, someone says, ‘Yeah, this makes you not white. Go kill 
yourself,'” Panofsky said. “Much more of the responses are what we call 
repair responses — where they’re saying, ‘OK, this is bad news. Let’s think 
about how you should interpret this news to make it to make it right.'”

These “repair responses” fell into two categories.

Reject! One coping mechanism involved the outright rejection of genetic 
tests’ validity. Some argued their family history was all the proof they 
needed. Or they looked in the mirror and clung to the notion that race and 
ethnicity are directly visible, which is false, University of Chicago 
population geneticist John Novembre told NewsHour.
“Genetically, the idea of white European as a single homogenous group does 
not hold up.”

Though the genetics of “whiteness” are not completely understood, the gene 
variants known to influence skin color are more diluted across the globe 
than any random spot in the human genome. “That is to say, humans appear, 
based on our skin pigmentation, to be much more different from each other 
than we actually are on a genomic level,” Novembre said.

Others accused the ancestry companies of being run and manipulated by Jews, 
in an attempt to thwart white nationalism, but even other Stormfront users 
pointed out the inaccuracy of this idea.

Reinterpret: The biggest proportion of responses — 1,260 posts — tried to 
rationalize the result by offering an “educational or scientific 
explanation” for the genetic ancestry results. Many in the online community 
played a numbers game. If a genetic ancestry test stated someone was 95 
percent white European, they would merely count the remaining 5 percent as 
a statistical error.

Many adapted this line of thinking to make exceptions for those with mixed 
ancestry. Nearly 500 posts made appeals by misapplying theories of genetics 
or by saying whiteness is a culture, not just biology — an apparent 
contradiction to the mission of forming a “pure” ethnostate. This trend led 
some white supremacists to debate the boundaries of their ethnostate, 
Panofsky said.

“They start to think about the genetic signs and markers of white 
nationalism that might be useful for our community,” Panofsky said. “[They 
say] maybe there are going to be lots of different white nations, each with 
slightly different rules for nationalism? Or an overlapping set of nations, 
that are genetically defined in their own ways?”

But these arguments are moot, because these genetic ancestry boundaries are 
inherently built on shaky ground.
Making money off the hunt for white ancestry

If it seems white supremacists are making arbitrary decisions about their 
ancestry tests, it’s hard to blame them. Direct-to-consumer ancestry 
testing is a slippery, secretive industry, built largely upon arbitrary 
scientific definitions.

“It’s black box because it’s corporate,“ said Jonathan Marks, biological 
anthropologist at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. “The way 
these answers are generated depends strongly on the sampling, the 
laboratory work that you do and the algorithm that you use to analyze the 
information. All of this stuff is intellectual property. We can’t really 
evaluate it.”
White nationalists carry torches on the grounds of the University of 
Virginia, on the eve of a planned Unite The Right rally in Charlottesville, 
Virginia, U.S. August 11, 2017. Picture taken August 11, 2017. Photo by 
Alejandro Alvarez/News2Share via REUTERS

White nationalists carry torches on the grounds of the University of 
Virginia, on the eve of a planned Unite The Right rally in Charlottesville, 
Virginia, U.S. August 11, 2017. Picture taken August 11, 2017. Photo by 
Alejandro Alvarez/News2Share via REUTERS

Genetic ancestry companies assess a person’s geographic heritage by 
analyzing DNA markers in their autosomal DNA (for individual variation), 
mitochondrial DNA (for maternal history) or their Y chromosome (for 
paternal history). The latter two sources of DNA remain unchanged from 
parent to child to grandchild, aside from a relatively small number of 
mutations that occur naturally during life. These mutations can serve as 
branch points in the trees of human ancestry, Panofsky and Donovan wrote, 
and as DNA markers specific to different regions around the world.

When genetic anthropologists examine the full scope of humans, they find 
that historical patterns in DNA markers make the case that everyone in the 
world came from a common ancestor who was born in East Africa within the 
last 100,000 to 200,000 years. Plus, groups intermingled so much over the 
course of history that genetic diversity is a continuum both within 
American and Europe, through to Asia and Africa, Novembre of the University 
of Chicago said.

WATCH: Years after transatlantic slavery, DNA tests give clarity

“Genetically, the idea of white European as a single homogenous group does 
not hold up. The classic geographic boundaries of the Mediterranean, 
Caucasus, and Urals that have shaped human movement and contact are all 
permeable barriers,” said Novembre. “Most of the genetic variants you or I 
carry, we share with other people all across the globe…If you are in some 
ethnic group, there are not single genetic variants that you definitely 
have and everyone outside the group does not.”

Commercial ancestry companies know these truths, but bend them to draw 
arbitrary conclusions about people’s ancestry, researchers say. They 
compare DNA from a customer to the genomes of people — or reference groups 
— whose ancestries they claim to already know.

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