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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Hypothetical possibilities --- strawman deception Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 16:35:20 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: <v8bmao$16ibk$4@dont-email.me> References: <v7gl30$3j9fi$1@dont-email.me> <v7led6$kacj$1@dont-email.me> <v7lsg5$luh0$5@dont-email.me> <v7nm9m$1433k$1@dont-email.me> <v7ofe7$17h8r$6@dont-email.me> <v7qfu0$1m6vf$1@dont-email.me> <v7r040$1onhe$3@dont-email.me> <v7vlbj$2ofet$1@dont-email.me> <v80a2u$2rabc$4@dont-email.me> <v825jo$39i9l$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 23:35:21 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f90a0d55b5a8d8d362f50b9fb3171851"; logging-data="1263988"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+IskORsTsxTCvNqoZpP0wQ" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:0b818fp4rsC/42m6sNnxoUBpw68= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v825jo$39i9l$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3142 On 7/27/2024 1:54 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-07-26 13:58:54 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 7/26/2024 3:05 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-07-24 13:38:08 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> >>>> That is off topic. I am only referring to a sequence of >>>> 1 to N x86 machine language instructions simulated according >>>> to the x86 semantic meaning of these instructions. >>> >>> No, it isn't. Abortion of simulation is a deviation form x86 macine >>> language semantics. What I ask about does not deviate more. >> >> In other words you are saying that it is absolutely impossible >> to make an x86 program that is an x86 emulator that correctly >> emulates a finite number of instructions of non-terminating >> input x86 machine code. > > You are lying again. That is not the same in other words, and I am > not saying what you falsely claim. > > If a simulator correctly simulates a finite number of instructions > where x86 program specifies an execution of an infinite number of > instructions then the simulation deviates from x86 semantics at the > point where the simulation stops but the x86 semantics specify > countinuation. > <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> If simulating halt decider *H correctly simulates its input D* *until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never* *stop running unless aborted* then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> Since you knew that all along I can't take your reply above as anything but a strawman deception attempt at rebuttal. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer