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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Wonderful Windows Zaps Banks/Transport/Media after "Update" Yesterday Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:58:28 -0700 Organization: none at all Lines: 60 Message-ID: <v8cjq4$1f67q$1@dont-email.me> References: <LhednausWIoLFwf7nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@earthlink.com> <87h6cl74ix.fsf@tilde.institute> <v7gf9l$3i29q$3@dont-email.me> <slrnvajisi.3e0ab.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> Reply-To: blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 07:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e9c93e87834cfa1dd9393217debb408b"; logging-data="1546490"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/DlpKlpvcW0DgTVnGoxoGJ" User-Agent: Betterbird (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4La8bLif9sShm6JPIrnNyN3bFqA= In-Reply-To: <slrnvajisi.3e0ab.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3472 On 7/30/24 22:30, candycanearter07 wrote: > John McCue <jmccue@hairball.jmcunx.com> wrote at 13:49 this Saturday (GMT): >> followups trimmed to comp.os.linux.misc >> >> In comp.os.linux.misc yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote: >>> "26yh.0712" <26yh.0713@e6t5y.net> writes: >>> >>>> Ah ... wunnerful Winders :-) >>>> >>>> It should be banned as a socioeconomic WMD ... >>> >>> Imagine systemd swallowing package management, doing automagic >>> security updates and such a "MSLinux" monoculture. >> >> I can see this happening, I think they just swallowed sudo. > > You mean polkit? No he means "sudo" is going to be replaced with "run0." <https://www.howtogeek.com/will-linux-run0-command-run-sudo-out-of-town/> Not right away but sooner or later unless it causes even more problems. "Sudo" is a bad implementation which replaced "su". which invoked superuser privileges. You had to use your root account password but Ubuntu decided that was dangerous so to invoke the same privileges you can use your user accont passwork. Canonical thought apparently that it was asking too much of their projected userbase to remember User account password and root password. > >>> Wouldn't that be similarly vulnerable? >> >> Maybe, any complex solution is open to vulnerabilities. I >> think (hope) these changes would be tested better than >> crowdstrike was. But as things get more complex, the harder >> to test :( >> >> I still think these changes Red Hat is pushing is their way >> to make things easier for admins, but to me, eventually you >> end up with a Windows clone. Now I wonder if they will "AI" >> systemd, I think it is possible since IBM seems to be >> getting into AI. > > That sounds like a nightmare. AI Systems... Nightmare or some one's wet dream. > >>> IMO "MSLinux" everywhere would have the same problem. >>> >>> I think redundancy, diversity and reducing complexity is the right >>> answer. >> The system on my computer uses SysV.init and "su". bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.07- Linux 6.6.42- 5.27.11 -- b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com