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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!earthli!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Neo-Darwinism is Dead. Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 07:33:00 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 48 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <v8dats$1j6p5$1@dont-email.me> References: <v8b4g0$13vvf$1@dont-email.me> <d975e4ffac642fdd5974623a0b456154@www.novabbs.com> <v8c4o9$19b8e$1@dont-email.me> <cfc92748-d8b2-4d71-9da9-2f9c6c6f9687@gmail.com> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="61420"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:pF+A64WR7ppUD2MP8oWz9jrEjW4= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 49606229782; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 08:32:35 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2ABAA229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 08:32:33 -0400 (EDT) id 8F93D8728D; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 08:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F2507FC3E for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 08:33:04 -0400 (EDT) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FB2E5F7FB for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 12:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/5FB2E5F7FB; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 2157EDC01A9; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 14:33:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 14:33:00 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19p2YsQe48BP9oE0YKS/B2CtL12wmOAEdk= In-Reply-To: <cfc92748-d8b2-4d71-9da9-2f9c6c6f9687@gmail.com> FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5178 On 7/30/2024 11:40 PM, erik simpson wrote: > On 7/30/24 6:41 PM, RonO wrote: >> On 7/30/2024 7:05 PM, burkhard wrote: >>> On Tue, 30 Jul 2024 16:30:55 +0000, Kalkidas wrote: >>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-U-ZB3yHK4 >>> >>> ..and Darwin was right after all?? You sure that's >>> the hill you want to reincarnate on? >>> >> >> Kalk admitted that he wasn't Hindu when he quit supporting the ID scam >> years ago. He is just the usual Biblical creationist that wanted to >> support the ID creationist scam for religious reasons. >> >> Ron Okimoto >> > Well, don't we need a creationist or two, just to keep the ball rolling? > Yes, but reincarnation never mattered to Kalk. Kalk always had another notion of being born again. ID is pretty much dead in terms of creationist support on TO. I just keep updating what the ID perps are claiming because they are still influencing creationists like the West Virginia creationist rubes that just past their teach ID scam legislation without an apparent clue that the bait and switch has been going down for over 22 years, and the ID perps have nothing that they want to teach. No creationist rubes have ever gotten any ID science to teach in the public schools from the ID perps at the Discovery Institute. All that they have ever gotten is the obfuscation and denial switch scam that the ID perps tell them has nothing to do with ID. The West Virginia creationist rubes are just the latest example. The ID perps were asleep at the switch again, and allowed the legislation to get passed and signed. They used to have an ID perp who's job it was to track the rubes and make sure that the bait and switch went down, but it looks like they never refilled that position after the last one quit after running the bait and switch on the Utah creationist rubes back in 2017. Before Utah they hadn't had to run the bait and switch on any creationist rubes after they ran the scam on both Louisiana and Texas in 2013. My guess is that they felt that it wasn't worth the expense to pay someone to prevent any legislators or school boards from trying to teach ID. In West Virginia they had to try a retroactive switch scam and flat out told the rubes that the Discovery Institute did not support teaching ID in the public schools, and that they should consider the obfuscation and denial switch scam. Ron Okimoto